Hughes is here for the long haul

From Norfstander.

Best City blog on the net, imo. Sorry Jack, if you're reading.

Reactionary opinions and speculation really not helping through current sticky patch

This afternoon's disappointing draw at home to Hull City will have quite rightly been deemed unacceptable by most in attendance, both in terms of the performance we witnessed and the point ultimately gained. Confidence is low at the minute, the football poor and results below par, but that's not to mean we should consider resorting to reactionary decisions, and as supporters we have a duty to back the players and manager through the dip in form.

Sadly, some see a few dropped points as fuel to go over the top whilst venting their spleen. Not that they're not perfectly entitled to do that, as paying fans, but a bit of common sense is needed all round, and those who think us sitting in the top six isn't good enough might want to remember where we've come from in recent years. That's not being pessimistic, more pointing out that any huge improvement takes time, there will be ups and downs along the way, this run being one of the latter.

Funnily enough, those who seem most vocal against Hughes often seem to appear online within minutes of any game in which we drop points. No doubt sat waiting for the final whistle with baited breath, badly spelt and usually brief 'Hughes Out' rant already typed, their popcorn nearby, ready for some verbal jousting, no facts or real thoughts needed, just a generic provocative statement after seeing ninety minutes of buffering IraqGoals footage.

What they don't seem to understand is that there are huge expanses of middle ground. Those of us pointing out that even the suggestion of a change at the top is reactionary and daft see Hughes' flaws, that's always been the case, and we all agree that what we're getting at the minute isn't good enough. None of us blindly defend the manager for the sake of doing so, we've just seen where these sort of decisions have gotten us in the past, and believe in giving whoever is in charge a fair crack of the whip.

You absolutely do not change your gaffer a third of the way through a season having given him £120m to spend that summer, especially with them having only lost one of sixteen games. At the start of any given campaign a manager will be made aware of his targets for it. Hughes', officially, was to finish in the top six, the position we currently sit. Off the record some suspect his instructions may have been to better that and achieve Champions League football. Unless my eyes are deceiving me we look to be in quite a good position to achieve that.

My opinions on the current boss haven't changed in light of this run of draws. I see him as the man for the job at hand, if not maybe the task of leading us to where we ultimately want to be, winning the title and regularly competing for European trophies. Those targets, realistically, are some way down the line, but some progress has quite obviously been made. The current owners have done the correct and honourable thing by giving a previous regime's man time and the resources to prove himself, and i'm sure they'll go on doing the same.

Sadly, some have a ballooned idea of our club's stature. We're immensely wealthy, and cash is obviously a draw in any walk of life, but we've been an absolute calamity of a club for a number of years and those who think that were Hughes to go, the elite of the world's managers would be wanting the job, well, i think they're a touch deluded. The best managers mange the best clubs, and i believe there's a step we have to make before we can genuinely attract the biggest names, and the odd example apart i think that also to be true regards signing players.

The name that pops up most, of course, is Jose Mourinho, and a good number of the 'Hughes Out Brigade' appear certain he'd walk out of one of the biggest clubs in world football, ignore the advances of his numerous suitors, all so he can come to Eastlands and blow a small fortune. It's not going to happen, even if there was anything beyond idle gossip to the current incumbent's position being under threat.

Jose Mourinho could hand-pick his next employer, and whilst current goings-on at some Premier League sides might limit his chances of a big job in England, he'd go to a club that's already one of the established superpowers, not one with hopes of being there in five years. A bit of money doesn't make us one of the big boys, it just doesn't, to us the vast figures that could be on offer would swing it, but for the cream of managers and players leaving a legacy and competing for big shiny things is what it's all about.

The other name being bandied about is Guus Hiddink, who did an excellent job during a short stint at Chelsea last season and has a wealth of experience all over the world. Folk seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that on several different occasions he's expressed a desire to not take a club job requiring day-to-day management, and is almost certain to accept a more hands-off role somewhere once he leaves Russia. Given his links with Roman Abramovich, it's thought he'll return to Chelsea in some capacity.

At the time of writing we are three points off being level with Arsenal in fourth, the way some of our supporters are carrying on you'd think we were bottom of the division. No-one's excusing the drab and spineless performance we saw today, or the inexcusably bad defending against Fulham or Burnley, but we need to see how things pan out rather than acting like tools and losing faith in Mark. He needs to motivate his players, and those same players need to stand up and ensure we remember how to win games again, but it's a wobble more than a crisis.

Whatever your thoughts, and it is only a minority who absolutely don't think Hughes is the man for the job, in real life it seems that way anyhow, the anonymity of forums mean we're never really sure whose opinions are worth taking notice of, i'm sure we'll all agree that the next game is huge for several reasons. I'd encourage those who seem to be almost taking delight from our current results in order to be seen to be proven right about Hughes to go and scream their hearts out against Arsenal. We're all in it together; fans, players and manager, now's not the time to be losing faith.

I thought this was worth posting as it details quite perfectly what I'd 'like' to believe about the managerial situation at City.

Sadly, this is the flipside. My post after the Burnley home game, have a read-

goat boy said:
Naive? I'm in two minds. I want to draw attention to the epic failure in his tactics today. Naivety or otherwise comes from their response now imo.

Ok then, let's get it over with, here we go-

This is how they set the team up, throughout the game.

------------ Shay ------------

Zabba -- Toure -- Lescott -- Bridge

------- Ireland --- Barry ----------



[Fucking enormous gap]



SWP -- Tevez -- Ade -- Bellers

This isnt even a 4-4-2. The starting positions were a 4-2-4, at every goal kick and in open play. And guess what? There were miles and miles of open green grass in midfield. There was a Burnley player settling down for a picnic in it, admiring the unspoilt view, at one point. Bellers and Shaun were way too far forward all of the time and Barry an Stevie, despite their best efforts, were hopelessly over-run and there was precisely cock all they could do about it. Everytime Burnley broke down the flanks, Stevie and Barry were coming wide to try and close them down, leaving tens of square metres of completely open space in the middle of the pitch. I blame no defender for fucking up when presented with so little protection and stability. I'd be bricking it.

Going forward, there was either a pass into/ through an outnumbered midfield (they played with 5 in there for much of the game) or a hoof towards Ade (who seemed indifferent to the game, to me) and 5ft tall Tevez. No wonder we did fuck all in the first half. Only when we got the ball down and SWP and Bellers strated to move deep was there any sort of fluency between midfield and attack. There were no angles anywhere, and no one in that front four had anywhere to go to try and draw a defender, they'd moving into a space where City already had 'an option'. Consequently, there was a line of statues at the top of the pitch.

Credit to Burnley for making the best of the relatively easy pickings they were offered.

I have advocated time and again a 4-3-3, I think it'll get the best out of this squad of players. Particurlarly Stephen and Shaun. If we don't see a change from the apparently preferred formation that is costing us points, I'm going to de camp. Hughesy, me old soon, I've leaned, at various angles, towards the IN camp while the berks on here have been mouthing off since day 1. However, I want a change in the attacking set up deployed, right away. Presumably we're not going to set up at Anfield this way, and if we do, God help us...

I seek only the correct response to a serious situation which appears to be developing. If no change is forthcoming, I'm off, and I could then become open to suggestions as to whom might be the correct coach for Manchester City. Seriously.

Same shit, different day, kiddie winks. And that's the acid test the bloke is failing right now.
 
It's rare, but I think I pretty much disagree with everything that this person has posted.

Also, he forgot Hitzfeld.
 
What a load of bollocks. I want Hughes to succeed as I am sick of the continual turnover of managers, but the evidence against him is starting to become overwhelming. We are reversing backwards faster than a Formula One Ferrari can go forwards, our play is negative, pedestrian, boring and totally predictable and ineffectual. Yes Hughes can talk a very good game, but that does not win games on the pitch and it is obvious to me that some players, at the very least, do not have any faith in him or trust his ability (Adebayor looked at him as if he had two heads when Huges give him instructions during an injury stoppage today).

If we lose to Chelsea next week we will have had 7 draws and a defeat in our last 8 league games, put another way 7 points from 24 points. Thats the same points gained as 2 wins, a draw, and 5 losses in 8 games. We will have not won in the league for in excess of 2 months, that is appalling form, relegation form.

Yet we are meant to sit back and say ok we are worse now than last year, at least last year we did not go 7 without a win, but we will say nothing. Last year Hughes openly blamed the players and lambasted Dunne, a long loyal servant soaked in our clubs history, then unceremoniously and in a humiliating manner got rid of him. It was not the defence to blame last year, it was an indequate and inept manager and a joke of a backroom staff who could not organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a premiership team defence. As for RSC and Lescott and some of Hughes other defensive replacements for Dunne, no heart, no organisation and no good.

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Citycitytid said:
We need to stop all these Hughes out threads. He has been our best manager in years and i hold my faith in him and will always stick behind my beloved team.

Results have gone very bad lately i agree, i could also blame Mark Hughes for a few errors but to constantly keep slating him is getting beyond a joke...its times like this i wish we never had all the money as a majority of fans are taking too many things for granted. Regardless of how much we've spent we are still clearly progressing and are in within a whisker of a chance for the semis of a cup run. I think top 5-6 would be excellent inmy eyes, a great achievement regardless of money spent.


You could have put any manager in charge second half and they would have done nothing to make us put the ball in the back of the net yet we still get the same old Hughes out day in day out. It were one of those games where you have to give full credit to Hull they were excellent to be fair.

We as fans need to get behind our team ans stop the whining...things will change come Wednesday when we beat Arsenal and get a great result against Chelsea :)

Rant over-back to the budweiser!!

City till i die...
 
robbie brewer said:
SWP_8 said:
We played miles better football.
Yeah we played great football in the 8-1 defeat to Middlesborough
always one game sven is remembered for, thankfully we are not talking about Hughes' shit games we could be here for a while
 
"BEST MANAGER IN YEARS"
Dear oh dear I appear to have soiled my pants after uncontrollable bowel movements while laughing. I think Alan Ball could have done better with 200m to spend.

We were complete and utter shite today. We've been "Pro Zoned" and Hughes has no idea how to counter it.
Opponents stay narrow, press the DMs quickly and the ball is hoofed up field so we lose posession.
Let SWP go out wide but don't let him cut inside and City lose posession because he can't cross.
The fullbacks are in back four defence mode with nobody to mark or bother about. What do they do? Either nothing (as they did today) or push forward and we get hit on the counter down the flanks (the only time the opposition try anything down the flanks)

Worse our forwards and AMs are not moving and looking for space when we have the ball.

We are really missing Elano so badly at home this season. His 40 yard passes ripped the opposition to shreads when they tried the current narrow and harrass tactics.
 
Argonaut said:
"BEST MANAGER IN YEARS"
Dear oh dear I appear to have soiled my pants after uncontrollable bowel movements while laughing. I think Alan Ball could have done better with 200m to spend.

We were complete and utter shite today. We've been "Pro Zoned" and Hughes has no idea how to counter it.
Opponents stay narrow, press the DMs quickly and the ball is hoofed up field so we lose posession.
Let SWP go out wide but don't let him cut inside and City lose posession because he can't cross.
The fullbacks are in back four defence mode with nobody to mark or bother about. What do they do? Either nothing (as they did today) or push forward and we get hit on the counter down the flanks (the only time the opposition try anything down the flanks)

Worse our forwards and AMs are not moving and looking for space when we have the ball.

We are really missing Elano so badly at home this season. His 40 yard passes ripped the opposition to shreads when they tried the current narrow and harrass tactics.

Its my opinion and I can't think of a better manager in years and ill stand by that.

As for your elano talk...that player who most people slated. We do lack a proper creative midfielder but Elano wasn't that man.

Just face it, at this moment in time Hughes is going absolutely no where so get behind him.
 

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