HUGHES TO GET NEW CONTRACT!!!

[Anonymous]

Always like to do a "meaty" post when I reach a milestone (this will be post 3,000) and this is something I feel strongly about.

While there may be relatively few fans that expected "instant" success there are some. Clearly expecting instant success, such as top 4 this season, is ridiculous. Quite a few more expect us to be doing better than we are and that's understandable but that belief is still based around the notion that "He's had loads of money to spend". Some don't like Hughes simply because of his history (forgetting Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Peter Schmeichel, etc.) These people truly deserve to be called numpties in my opinion.

I don't deny money is useful but it's quite possible to spend lots of it and not succeed, like Spurs and Newcastle have for many years. Both have occasionally done reasonably well but they haven't achieved consistent success. I suspect that's largely because they've never achieved stability, apart from at Newcastle when they had Robson for 5 years, which was one of their most successful spells in the last few years.

Unlike Mourinho at Chelsea, Hughes didn't come to a successful club that just needed a bit of tinkering. We did OK last season but that was on the back of a nine game winning home run in the early part. The second half of the season was relegation form plus people forget that there was turmoil behind the scenes (and I suspect that we don't know half of it). There was a real and distinct danger of a serious financial collapse less than nine months ago. Name me one manager that has come to a Premiership club and turned its fortunes around in a season. O'Neill is an exceptional manager but we will do better under Hughes this season than Villa did under him in his first season. And he had a long run where they didn't win that season.

So there was a rebuilding job to be done and very few of the players Sven bought have figured at all, let alone consistently. We've had 30 years of almost unbroken mismanagement and lack of investment and that can't just be brushed aside or corrected in one season. I thought at the beginning of the season that 6-8th place was the realistic target and we still should be capable of getting that. If it wasn't for our shocking away form then we would be doing much better. In fact our average away points haul since 2002/3 is 19 points; if we had been on target to achieve that then we'd probably still only be in 7th place.

So let's suppose that we do finish 7th or 8th this season but next season we finish 17th. I'm pretty certain that virtually everyone would be calling for Hughes' head and with some justification. But that's exactly what happened to Everton under Moyes, when we had our own little cup final with them on the last day of the season for 16th & 17th place. (We won 5-1 to get 16th). Yet the Everton board stuck with him, they sold Rooney, invested the proceeds in a bunch of new players and have gone on from there. Moyes was saying on Sunday that it takes time to build a team the way you want it and stability is the most important factor to the players. They also need time to settle in, particularly as we're often playing with seven or eight players who are new this season (and four only arrived in January).

I don't really know what goes on behind the scenes these days but I hear some sources (e.g. Ric) say that things have changed for the better under Hughes. There are other sources that say that some people would be delighted to see the back of him (seems to be some tension between Hughes' coaching team and the youth set up).

I judge on what I see on the pitch and I think that I've seen more good football at CoMS this season than I have for quite a while. I've seen some very good players come in to the squad, which is now looking much stronger than it ever did. I believe he should be given a reasonable amount of time (three seasons) and if our owners are happy to give him that time then that should be good enough for us.

Good post but i might like to add that the situations between Moyes and Hughes were and are different.

Moyes took over a side that had been flirting with relegation for the previous 5 years and the players he had at his disposal were not very good. He was left with a very poor squad and he had little money to change it. Totaly different from Hughes who inherited a good squad and had money to improve it. Everton had no choice but to put faith in a manager and it has paid off. The club needed stability and most importantly they got the right man to give them that stability. It's all very well craving for stability but it's useless if you haven't got the right man for it.

I am neither a Hughes lover or a Hughes hater, i beleive in my opinion that he is not good enough for where we want to go but i as with all the managers we have had am willing to give him time to prove himself and prove me wrong.

But it is no use comparing him to other managers, he is in a completley different situation to any other managers. With the squad he has available to manage and the money he has already spent and has to spend in the future, qualifying for europe and a good run in the uefa cup should be expected for this year and next year 5th or 6th and a good run in any of the 3 cups should be expected.

If he cannot achieve that then he is not good enough, it is no use making excuses for him by saying "it takes time". A good manager with his squad and the money he has to spend would achieve it. It's up to him to prove he is a good manager.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Course I've been anti-Hughes all along because I didn't believe he was good enough but the only way he could convince me otherwise was simply by getting results. I'm not interested in his nationality, I'm interested in him getting the best out of the players at his disposal and making this club a success on the field which given recent results I have a bit more belief in his ability to do.

And which recent results would they be? The defeats to Portsmouth or Stoke? Or are you getting yourself in a creaming mess because we played well against Villa?

Copenhagen was alright but we made hard work in beating a bad side from a shit league over two legs. Liverpool was good as well but thats a handful of games in the past 3/4 months, the rest have been from average to abysmal but I suppose that keeps in with the season long theory that we've actually only played well 1 in 4 games. If that's good enough for people to be convinced then more fool you!

 

[C_T_I_D]

What would it take for you to believe in Hughes ability as a manager then?

In your opinion if we get a high profile manager then aren't we back to square one and can expect another 'transition period' season under a new fella?

 

[Anonymous]

This coming from a man who changed his mind about Hughes after 45 mins against Arsenal?

I suppose you think lying will strengthen your argument. On well...

Who said he was good enough when he first came? Was he fuck.

There is a huge difference between instant success and quicker success numbnuts. If we hadn't been takenover by the Arabs then we wouldn't really expect any success so the fact we do now obviously makes it quicker.

On paper, money may speed things along, but just ask Liverpool, Newcastle, Spurs, et al - the reality is often very very different.

Yes, good question. Why should someone who 'might' be a top class manager develop with us when we can get some of the very best? If you hard the money to buy a bentley would you buy a fiat?

That pal, is the fucking HEIGHT OF RAGNESS. Whilst we're having a clear out, we may as well get rid of everyone except for Robinho, because frankly, he's the only Bentley in our garage right now.

I'll tell you what I find funny, Billy, and that's people like yourself falling over themselves to show support for a manager who's done less than average at best so they can be the bigger Manchester City FC fan. Truth be told the vast majority of this board would be delirious if Hughes was sacked and Mourinho came in but you keep fooling yourself that we have the 'best young british manager' bla bla bla.

You really do have a pretty big chip on your shoulder buddy. I'm not claiming to be any bigger or any better a blue than anyone I know. The fact is that for reasons of sheer stupidity, ignorance, or bloody mindedness, a few people on this board chose to slag off Hughes from day one. That's not being a supporter. That's being an attention seeking little git.

You'd know because you've been at it since Saint Sven got dicked...

 

[jay_mcfc]

Well Billy, in that one post you brought up rags, Sven, lies and bullshit. You even agree on a point you tried to lambast in an earlier post. Just an average Billy response, playing Billy the big blue despite questioning Hughes yourself on many occasions and actually wanting our manager to be given another contract so you can laugh at our fans. Well Billy, I laugh at you. There is no chip on my shoulder lad, just a will for my club to succeed and if you think that's 'raggish' then good luck to ya, you keep harping back to the good old days and wishing away weekends in Grimsby.

 

[barney8]

Always like to do a "meaty" post when I reach a milestone (this will be post 3,000) and this is something I feel strongly about.

While there may be relatively few fans that expected "instant" success there are some. Clearly expecting instant success, such as top 4 this season, is ridiculous. Quite a few more expect us to be doing better than we are and that's understandable but that belief is still based around the notion that "He's had loads of money to spend". Some don't like Hughes simply because of his history (forgetting Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Peter Schmeichel, etc.) These people truly deserve to be called numpties in my opinion.

I don't deny money is useful but it's quite possible to spend lots of it and not succeed, like Spurs and Newcastle have for many years. Both have occasionally done reasonably well but they haven't achieved consistent success. I suspect that's largely because they've never achieved stability, apart from at Newcastle when they had Robson for 5 years, which was one of their most successful spells in the last few years.

Unlike Mourinho at Chelsea, Hughes didn't come to a successful club that just needed a bit of tinkering. We did OK last season but that was on the back of a nine game winning home run in the early part. The second half of the season was relegation form plus people forget that there was turmoil behind the scenes (and I suspect that we don't know half of it). There was a real and distinct danger of a serious financial collapse less than nine months ago. Name me one manager that has come to a Premiership club and turned its fortunes around in a season. O'Neill is an exceptional manager but we will do better under Hughes this season than Villa did under him in his first season. And he had a long run where they didn't win that season.

So there was a rebuilding job to be done and very few of the players Sven bought have figured at all, let alone consistently. We've had 30 years of almost unbroken mismanagement and lack of investment and that can't just be brushed aside or corrected in one season. I thought at the beginning of the season that 6-8th place was the realistic target and we still should be capable of getting that. If it wasn't for our shocking away form then we would be doing much better. In fact our average away points haul since 2002/3 is 19 points; if we had been on target to achieve that then we'd probably still only be in 7th place.

So let's suppose that we do finish 7th or 8th this season but next season we finish 17th. I'm pretty certain that virtually everyone would be calling for Hughes' head and with some justification. But that's exactly what happened to Everton under Moyes, when we had our own little cup final with them on the last day of the season for 16th & 17th place. (We won 5-1 to get 16th). Yet the Everton board stuck with him, they sold Rooney, invested the proceeds in a bunch of new players and have gone on from there. Moyes was saying on Sunday that it takes time to build a team the way you want it and stability is the most important factor to the players. They also need time to settle in, particularly as we're often playing with seven or eight players who are new this season (and four only arrived in January).

I don't really know what goes on behind the scenes these days but I hear some sources (e.g. Ric) say that things have changed for the better under Hughes. There are other sources that say that some people would be delighted to see the back of him (seems to be some tension between Hughes' coaching team and the youth set up).

I judge on what I see on the pitch and I think that I've seen more good football at CoMS this season than I have for quite a while. I've seen some very good players come in to the squad, which is now looking much stronger than it ever did. I believe he should be given a reasonable amount of time (three seasons) and if our owners are happy to give him that time then that should be good enough for us.

This is a top post. I agree with every word and couldn't have written it better myself.

Some people on here and elsewhere need to chill out and enjoy the ride. If in 12 months time we're languishing in the bottom half and playing crap then start moaning. My goal for next season would be 5th or 6th place. Expecting to break into the top four next season is a big ask. For me top 4 is the target for the season after. I say this regardless of how much money we spend. Football is a team game and teams must be built and welded together. Buying a load of expensive players and shoving them together in the same team does not guarantee a successful side. If the Sheik is happy with Hughes then so am I.

Been waiting a lifetime for a great City side I can wait a while longer !

We were third by christmas last season, so I think the process to reach the big four can be a lot quicker than the "apologists" believe.

 

[Weston Blue]

We were third by christmas last season, so I think the process to reach the big four can be a lot quicker than the "apologists" believe.

Christmas? The season ends in May. Where were we then? What were performances like between Christmas and May? Where we were halfway through the season is orrelevant and does ot show anything other than we had a good start to the season.

 

[allansice]

the football at times has been a lot better under hughes . I just think he needs to prove he can change a game with his substitutions . Being able to bring the right man on to do the right job the team needs at that time . West ham baffled me richards injured bring on a striker . Fernandes is shit he lost us the liverpool game at home fucking headless chicken . Just things like that stick in peoples head ,but i do think he will come good , but its wether the players manchester city can buy now will come to hughes . And yes no player should be able to dictate because it will mess with team spirit . He deserves another season for me and summer to himself and his own signings . His siginings bar tbh have all been good if not brilliant . If he wins the uefa cup everyone will stop moaning and start singing his name .......his signings

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I don't really know what goes on behind the scenes these days but I hear some sources (e.g. Ric) say that things have changed for the better under Hughes. There are other sources that say that some people would be delighted to see the back of him (seems to be some tension between Hughes' coaching team and the youth set up).

whats this about, ive not read anythin regardin this??

can anyone shed some light?

Sorry it wasn't actually posted on here but someone close to the youth coaching team said that they were annoyed that one of the first team coaches had apparently been slagging them off to another club. I don't know what was said exactly so it could have been Chinese whispers but it seems to revolve around a belief among the senior squad coaches that the youth set-up is more concerned with winning trophies than preparing the younger players to make the step-up to the senior squad.

This is possibly one of the reasons why Brian Marwood has been brought in.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Always like to do a "meaty" post when I reach a milestone (this will be post 3,000) and this is something I feel strongly about.

While there may be relatively few fans that expected "instant" success there are some. Clearly expecting instant success, such as top 4 this season, is ridiculous. Quite a few more expect us to be doing better than we are and that's understandable but that belief is still based around the notion that "He's had loads of money to spend". Some don't like Hughes simply because of his history (forgetting Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Peter Schmeichel, etc.) These people truly deserve to be called numpties in my opinion.

I don't deny money is useful but it's quite possible to spend lots of it and not succeed, like Spurs and Newcastle have for many years. Both have occasionally done reasonably well but they haven't achieved consistent success. I suspect that's largely because they've never achieved stability, apart from at Newcastle when they had Robson for 5 years, which was one of their most successful spells in the last few years.

Unlike Mourinho at Chelsea, Hughes didn't come to a successful club that just needed a bit of tinkering. We did OK last season but that was on the back of a nine game winning home run in the early part. The second half of the season was relegation form plus people forget that there was turmoil behind the scenes (and I suspect that we don't know half of it). There was a real and distinct danger of a serious financial collapse less than nine months ago. Name me one manager that has come to a Premiership club and turned its fortunes around in a season. O'Neill is an exceptional manager but we will do better under Hughes this season than Villa did under him in his first season. And he had a long run where they didn't win that season.

So there was a rebuilding job to be done and very few of the players Sven bought have figured at all, let alone consistently. We've had 30 years of almost unbroken mismanagement and lack of investment and that can't just be brushed aside or corrected in one season. I thought at the beginning of the season that 6-8th place was the realistic target and we still should be capable of getting that. If it wasn't for our shocking away form then we would be doing much better. In fact our average away points haul since 2002/3 is 19 points; if we had been on target to achieve that then we'd probably still only be in 7th place.

So let's suppose that we do finish 7th or 8th this season but next season we finish 17th. I'm pretty certain that virtually everyone would be calling for Hughes' head and with some justification. But that's exactly what happened to Everton under Moyes, when we had our own little cup final with them on the last day of the season for 16th & 17th place. (We won 5-1 to get 16th). Yet the Everton board stuck with him, they sold Rooney, invested the proceeds in a bunch of new players and have gone on from there. Moyes was saying on Sunday that it takes time to build a team the way you want it and stability is the most important factor to the players. They also need time to settle in, particularly as we're often playing with seven or eight players who are new this season (and four only arrived in January).

I don't really know what goes on behind the scenes these days but I hear some sources (e.g. Ric) say that things have changed for the better under Hughes. There are other sources that say that some people would be delighted to see the back of him (seems to be some tension between Hughes' coaching team and the youth set up).

I judge on what I see on the pitch and I think that I've seen more good football at CoMS this season than I have for quite a while. I've seen some very good players come in to the squad, which is now looking much stronger than it ever did. I believe he should be given a reasonable amount of time (three seasons) and if our owners are happy to give him that time then that should be good enough for us.

This is a top post. I agree with every word and couldn't have written it better myself.

Some people on here and elsewhere need to chill out and enjoy the ride. If in 12 months time we're languishing in the bottom half and playing crap then start moaning. My goal for next season would be 5th or 6th place. Expecting to break into the top four next season is a big ask. For me top 4 is the target for the season after. I say this regardless of how much money we spend. Football is a team game and teams must be built and welded together. Buying a load of expensive players and shoving them together in the same team does not guarantee a successful side. If the Sheik is happy with Hughes then so am I.

Been waiting a lifetime for a great City side I can wait a while longer !

We were third by christmas last season, so I think the process to reach the big four can be a lot quicker than the "apologists" believe.

Hull were fourth this last Xmas. A good run of results, as we had at home last season, can get you in or near the top four. It's much, much harder to stay there. Even Villa may not last the pace this season.