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We know why Mars lost it's atmosphere and additional CO2 will mean we have the opposite problem (possibly).bellbuzzer said:
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Human extinction.
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SWP's back said:OK show me the peer reviwed abstracts saying bees and plankton are headed for an extinction event.samharris said:SWP's back said:Very simplistic and untrue.
Im basing what I posted on truths and concerns in the scientific community,what is simplistic and untrue in what I posted??.
Nature is simple bud.. it works or it doesnt..
As for the last bit "Nature is simple bud.. it works or it doesnt", very glib but what does it actually mean? We are part of nature and nature always works. 99% of species that have existed, are now extinct. Nature worked (or not) for them. Why should we be any different?
You call it glib but you answered it yourself..Nature is very simple, so much so that 99% of species that couldnt adapt are now gone( it works or it doesnt).
Nature throws disease, pestilence and famine at us all the time to kerb our numbers, but we are winning that race because of our intelligence to create vaccines,cures and modify food production..There are more people alive on the planet now than have ever lived in the past up to 20 years ago..
We are fighting nature and her natural population control.. The plankton in the sea are starting to suffer through excess mercury injestation due to the shit we throw into the sea.. The bees are in areas 30 to 40% down in numbers which could have huge consequences for food production worldwide...
The food chain starts with the plankton...the worlds crops are pollenated by predominantly by bees. like I said If they go we go...it may sound like a cliche but its true..<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:10 pm --<br /><br />
SWP's back said:We know why Mars lost it's atmosphere and additional CO2 will mean we have the opposite problem (possibly).bellbuzzer said:maybe we will soon find out how Mars lost it's atmosphere, and if it could happen to Earth. The Green Party will blame car drivers o.c.
Magnetic field or sommat..
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Re Mars. Too small to keep a molten core. Magnetic field failed. Solar wind fucked off the atmos.samharris said:SWP's back said:OK show me the peer reviwed abstracts saying bees and plankton are headed for an extinction event.samharris said:Im basing what I posted on truths and concerns in the scientific community,what is simplistic and untrue in what I posted??.
Nature is simple bud.. it works or it doesnt..
As for the last bit "Nature is simple bud.. it works or it doesnt", very glib but what does it actually mean? We are part of nature and nature always works. 99% of species that have existed, are now extinct. Nature worked (or not) for them. Why should we be any different?
You call it glib but you answered it yourself..Nature is very simple, so much so that 99% of species that couldnt adapt are now gone( it works or it doesnt).
Nature throws disease, pestilence and famine at us all the time to kerb our numbers, but we are winning that race because of our intelligence to create vaccines,cures and modify food production..There are more people alive on the planet now than have ever lived in the past up to 20 years ago..
We are fighting nature and her natural population control.. The plankton in the sea are starting to suffer through excess mercury injestation due to the shit we throw into the sea.. The bees are in areas 30 to 40% down in numbers which could have huge consequences for food production worldwide...
The food chain starts with the plankton...the worlds crops are pollenated by predominantly by bees. like I said If they go we go...it may sound like a cliche but its true..
-- Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:10 pm --
SWP's back said:We know why Mars lost it's atmosphere and additional CO2 will mean we have the opposite problem (possibly).bellbuzzer said:maybe we will soon find out how Mars lost it's atmosphere, and if it could happen to Earth. The Green Party will blame car drivers o.c.
Magnetic field or sommat..
Re: the rest "We" wouldn't go but billions would die. We have just about got ourselves to the point where we'd cope with almost anything. Maybe not in current numbers, but we would. And nature isn't fighting us, nature is unthinking, uncaring, non-sentient and just the process of everything around us that happens.
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Anyone watching Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo? As if the surviving military are going to let any of these smartarses sit on all their resources in the event of catastrophe. They'd be forced to hand over the lot within hours, if not well beforehand. There's a couple on there who reckon they could escape to a secondary location in yellow school buses. Fuck that, they'd just shoot the loonies to shit.
SWP's back said:Re Mars. Too small to keep a molten core. Magnetic field failed. Solar wind fucked off the atmos.samharris said:SWP's back said:OK show me the peer reviwed abstracts saying bees and plankton are headed for an extinction event.
As for the last bit "Nature is simple bud.. it works or it doesnt", very glib but what does it actually mean? We are part of nature and nature always works. 99% of species that have existed, are now extinct. Nature worked (or not) for them. Why should we be any different?
You call it glib but you answered it yourself..Nature is very simple, so much so that 99% of species that couldnt adapt are now gone( it works or it doesnt).
Nature throws disease, pestilence and famine at us all the time to kerb our numbers, but we are winning that race because of our intelligence to create vaccines,cures and modify food production..There are more people alive on the planet now than have ever lived in the past up to 20 years ago..
We are fighting nature and her natural population control.. The plankton in the sea are starting to suffer through excess mercury injestation due to the shit we throw into the sea.. The bees are in areas 30 to 40% down in numbers which could have huge consequences for food production worldwide...
The food chain starts with the plankton...the worlds crops are pollenated by predominantly by bees. like I said If they go we go...it may sound like a cliche but its true..
-- Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:10 pm --
SWP's back said:We know why Mars lost it's atmosphere and additional CO2 will mean we have the opposite problem (possibly).
Magnetic field or sommat..
Re: the rest "We" wouldn't go but billions would die. We have just about got ourselves to the point where we'd cope with almost anything. Maybe not in current numbers, but we would. And nature isn't fighting us, nature is unthinking, uncaring, non-sentient and just the process of everything around us that happens.
Maybe " fighting us" shouldnt be taken so litterally, I should have said that the "natural" process of nature is not in our favour so to speak and the fine balance in the scheme of things (mainly due to us) is tipping in a direction that doesnt bode well for us.. Its not nature fighting us..its us fighting nature..
-- Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:36 pm --
johnny on the spot said:Anyone watching Doomsday Preppers on NatGeo? As if the surviving military are going to let any of these smartarses sit on all their resources in the event of catastrophe. They'd be forced to hand over the lot within hours, if not well beforehand. There's a couple on there who reckon they could escape to a secondary location in yellow school buses. Fuck that, they'd just shoot the loonies to shit.
They may have food and guns but they wont have hospitals,communication and antibiotics..it would be like Mad Max for real..
whod want to live like that.. Id rather go out with a bang tbh.
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I can't wait till we make an Eden project in space. I want to be on that spaceship man. #silent running
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I'll give us till the next millenium.
It depends really.
Evolution doesn't just stop. Humans as they are now will evolve into something more suited to their natural environment, whatever that may be. If we classify all species after us that are our descendants as "humans", then we'll quite probably survive for the rest of time. We might spread ourselves out around the galaxy and have several divergent species, but as I said, these are ancestors that for the sake of this example we are calling "humans".
It is almost impossible to wipe out human life. We are far too well spread and biologically advanced to do so.
A nuclear war might wipe out a few hundred million. An asteroid might kill a few billion. But there's always some people left so the species continues. Even an out of control virus will have certain humans who are genetically resistant to it, just by the law of averages. Those will continue to survive and will pass the immunity on to their children.
People talk about the food chain, but humans will adapt to survive. It might mean that we will start eating more and more insects as our primary protein. It might mean that we start cannibalising each other. It matters not, we will survive in numbers somewhere.
Even if the worst possible climate change event happens, we will still survive somewhere. There's literally no realistic scenario that could cause a species wide extinction across the entire planet outside of the planet itself exploding and that would need another planet size object to hit it. Maybe we could poison the atmosphere but as it would be a slow event, when it started killing the elderly and the like the human species would adapt, either by changing behaviour or by invention.
I'm all for ideas here, as I can't think of a single thing that could possibly kill us all.
Our descendants will adapt to their new surroundings and rediscover the science that brought to where we are now. The future of "humanity" is definitely in space, whether that be us as a species or somebody quite like us, it is where we will end up when all said and done
Evolution doesn't just stop. Humans as they are now will evolve into something more suited to their natural environment, whatever that may be. If we classify all species after us that are our descendants as "humans", then we'll quite probably survive for the rest of time. We might spread ourselves out around the galaxy and have several divergent species, but as I said, these are ancestors that for the sake of this example we are calling "humans".
It is almost impossible to wipe out human life. We are far too well spread and biologically advanced to do so.
A nuclear war might wipe out a few hundred million. An asteroid might kill a few billion. But there's always some people left so the species continues. Even an out of control virus will have certain humans who are genetically resistant to it, just by the law of averages. Those will continue to survive and will pass the immunity on to their children.
People talk about the food chain, but humans will adapt to survive. It might mean that we will start eating more and more insects as our primary protein. It might mean that we start cannibalising each other. It matters not, we will survive in numbers somewhere.
Even if the worst possible climate change event happens, we will still survive somewhere. There's literally no realistic scenario that could cause a species wide extinction across the entire planet outside of the planet itself exploding and that would need another planet size object to hit it. Maybe we could poison the atmosphere but as it would be a slow event, when it started killing the elderly and the like the human species would adapt, either by changing behaviour or by invention.
I'm all for ideas here, as I can't think of a single thing that could possibly kill us all.
Our descendants will adapt to their new surroundings and rediscover the science that brought to where we are now. The future of "humanity" is definitely in space, whether that be us as a species or somebody quite like us, it is where we will end up when all said and done
Damocles said:It depends really.
Evolution doesn't just stop. Humans as they are now will evolve into something more suited to their natural environment, whatever that may be. If we classify all species after us that are our descendants as "humans", then we'll quite probably survive for the rest of time. We might spread ourselves out around the galaxy and have several divergent species, but as I said, these are ancestors that for the sake of this example we are calling "humans".
It is almost impossible to wipe out human life. We are far too well spread and biologically advanced to do so.
A nuclear war might wipe out a few hundred million. An asteroid might kill a few billion. But there's always some people left so the species continues. Even an out of control virus will have certain humans who are genetically resistant to it, just by the law of averages. Those will continue to survive and will pass the immunity on to their children.
People talk about the food chain, but humans will adapt to survive. It might mean that we will start eating more and more insects as our primary protein. It might mean that we start cannibalising each other. It matters not, we will survive in numbers somewhere.
Even if the worst possible climate change event happens, we will still survive somewhere. There's literally no realistic scenario that could cause a species wide extinction across the entire planet outside of the planet itself exploding and that would need another planet size object to hit it. Maybe we could poison the atmosphere but as it would be a slow event, when it started killing the elderly and the like the human species would adapt, either by changing behaviour or by invention.
I'm all for ideas here, as I can't think of a single thing that could possibly kill us all.
Our descendants will adapt to their new surroundings and rediscover the science that brought to where we are now. The future of "humanity" is definitely in space, whether that be us as a species or somebody quite like us, it is where we will end up when all said and done
A shift in the Earths magnetic field could be an extinction event, Scientists reckon that it could do a full tilt so the magnetic north becomes magnetic south. During this tilt which could take months even years the Earths ability to fend off solar radiation would be zero as the field could disappear completely.The radiation would be catastrophic for all life forms land based and in the oceans..Would it kill everyone?? who knows but it would be pretty grim, the power grids would be gone and we would be thrust into the dark ages. No power,communication,transport,fuel,food growth and definately no governmental rule..
Scary.
Read this.. very interesting.<a class="postlink" href="http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magnetic-field-failing-us" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magneti ... failing-us</a>