Ask yourself this if only 5% vote green and most of the rest vote for a continuation of the same shite how can one claim its a nasty minority who should take the blame.Ask yourself the question, is it the average person who decides the best way operate a plane is using aviation fuel rather than investing in green solutions. Or ordinary people who flout environmental laws when extracting minerals because the cost of cleaning it up reduces profit margins. Does one ordinary person happily go to war (Rambo excluded) or is it those with power and money that force them to ?
The fundamental need of people is food, shelter and security, by controlling or preventing any one of these, you control the population and force them to do things they otherwise would not want to do.
What those with wealth and power have done is create an artificial and unnecessary survival of the fittest, driven by greed.
Ask yourself this if only 5% vote green and most of the rest vote for a continuation of the same shite how can one claim its a nasty minority who should take the blame.
The only consolation the poor and downtrodden of this world can grasp is that if the roles were reversed they would in the majority act in exactly the same way.
That is the human condition.
The point wasn't really about green policies more about a posters opinion that people are not responsible for the shit that happens around them.Fuck me mate, some of the greens policies are horrendous. That world citizen no passprt shit for starters.
If they were serious they would stop talking shit and dish out some real policies, with the tories and the fake tories shitting themselves this should have/could have been their chance.
They just want to shout a buses going past and not actually drive them.
It was never their chance, people won't give up shit, our own self interest(call it an inherent survival instinct that leads to self interest) is our greatest strength which will ultimately be our downfall.Fuck me mate, some of the greens policies are horrendous. That world citizen no passprt shit for starters.
If they were serious they would stop talking shit and dish out some real policies, with the tories and the fake tories shitting themselves this should have/could have been their chance.
They just want to shout a buses going past and not actually drive them.
The point wasn't really about green policies more about a posters opinion that people are not responsible for the shit that happens around them.
I don't believe we get a pass because we aren't in power.
Some don't care, some can't be arsed some feel powerless.
Humans are good at deceiving themselves into believing this shit. We ain't innocent in what we have done to others and ourselves as a species.
Life is more comfortable if we pretend it isn't though.
Where have you got this tripe from?
The greens are an interesting case in point, look at who votes for them. According to Yougov the majority of their support is from the social demographic ABC1 the definition of middle class. Its so much easier to be "green" if you have money, much harder if you are poor.Ask yourself this if only 5% vote green and most of the rest vote for a continuation of the same shite how can one claim its a nasty minority who should take the blame.
The only consolation the poor and downtrodden of this world can grasp is that if the roles were reversed they would in the majority act in exactly the same way.
That is the human condition.
Which is fine as long as people accept this and don't spend their lives in denial blaming others.Just as an aside, I'd vote green but I can't just because of the reasons stated. Humans are territorial that ain't ever going to end it's part and parcel of what we are.
The greens are an interesting case in point, look at who votes for them. According to Yougov the majority of their support is from the social demographic ABC1 the definition of middle class. Its so much easier to be "green" if you have money, much harder if you are poor.
What you cant do with green policies is make it effectively a tax that disproportionately affects the poor.
I can afford an electric car, to buy solar panels and get them fitted, to travel by train frequently and choose to eat food which is grown in an environmentally friendly way. If you're skint you cant and who controls the flow of money, the debts are owed to the wealthy.
Lets put it this way, when we were all running around in loin cloths, tribe x still had disputes with tribe y over resources and thats no different to any other animal. What is different is the ability of those with power and money in the modern world to not just influence what happens in the next village, town or city, but instead on a continent or even a global scale.
I dont view poor as good, rich as bad. Its extreme wealth and power thats bad as they control the means to allow change to happen. Crime is a function of levels of relative poverty.I'm not sure how this has ended up as an environmental debate although I did quote the voting for green as an example. It doesn't even cover a fraction of the shiteness that are human beings.
So on the basis that the thread is about human behaviour lets take your post, unless your view is poor people = wonderful, rich people = bad then it falls apart. Take manners, crime, selfishness etc etc etc. The worse elements of humans are shown by all groups. We can't fob off our shortcomings on the rich.
I dont view poor as good, rich as bad. Its extreme wealth and power thats bad as they control the means to allow change to happen. Crime is a function of levels of relative poverty.
Many of the problems in society is down to a lack of community, where did it all go wrong ? Well it got immeasurably worse once businesses and cooperations (owned by the very wealthy) decided that it was cheaper to manufacture in China and ship things half way around the world than produce locally and keep people employed. The driving factor being profit margin. Then we have the ex coal fields which were left to rot, why ? Because the dared to stand up to the government (the powerful) when mines, which were still viable with investment, were being closed. What did they replace them with ? Low value jobs in warehouses and call centres, not high value jobs. Instead they ploughed the money into London's financial centre and the home counties with high tech industries. That was rinse and repeat across every other industry whether that be Docks, Steel, Clothing Manufacture etc. Outside the the square mile of London and the leafy parts of the home counties nothing exists to those with the more extreme level of wealth. This isnt just UK centric but is true across most of the Western world. Couple that with excessively liberal approaches to discipline for nearly 3 generations and is it any wonder we get people who just dont give a fuck.
Ive lived in rough areas and nice areas, where rough areas used to have a sense of community that has gone, its every man for themselves. Dont get me wrong there are some lovely people but they are dwindling. On the contrary, in middle class rural areas like where I currently live, I can honestly say I couldn't have nicer people surrounding me, kids are polite, everyone helps each other out and looks out for one another. The difference being that the income disparity is much lower, nobody is living on the bread line, most are either retired or have managerial/executive roles earning salaries that give them no need to be pissed off and angry. They spend time with their kids, value education and set expectations, which is easy to do if your household income is six figures plus but exceptionally difficult if you're working 2 jobs to keep the lights on.
Bottom line is if there was less relative income disparity across society there would be much less crime and people would generally be more civil. What drives income disparity is the greed of the exceptionally wealthy by keeping people indebted.