It's not even terrorism imo. Its two sickos.It has all the hallmarks of the Borough market attack of 2017
A couple of disillusioned angry weak minded men, who've been radicalised
Once upon a time, these people had to meet somewhere. Now they sit in their bedrooms and are groomed online
To be fair, they'd have given us a description of the attacker/s by now*Let’s hope it’s not Merseyside investigating
The security protocol for what we call a MTA is get the train to a station where Armed police can attend safely. It's better than dropping anchor in the middle of nowhere. The train the incident occured on has good cab security with thick metal doors that can only be opened by the driver/guard.It was 5 minutes after the attack was first reported that the train was able to stop.
5 minutes of absolute hell no doubt.
Those poor people
They should upgrade the role of the train guard to include security, train them, and pay them a lot more. Robots can drive trains but they can’t protect the passengers.It seems from the little we know, that the cool thinking of the train driver may well have played a major part in why there thankfully doesn't seem to be any actual fatalities, up to now at least.
I don't know whether they are actually watching the CCTV from the train as they're driving along? But even if they're not, I'm sure he/she would have been well aware that some kind of major incident was occurring in the train. It would have been a natural reaction to panic and slam on the brakes. And if the train had come to a halt in the middle of the countryside, Christ knows what we'd be looking at now? I've little doubt, that them keeping calm and carrying on until the next major station before stopping, almost certainty has saved multiple lives.
Not the most important thing now, but something to bear in mind the next time people are insisting that all they do is pull a lever for £70K and we should automate the trains.
Can't protect them if you are hiding behind a thick metal door.They should upgrade the role of the train guard to include security, train them, and pay them a lot more. Robots can drive trains but they can’t protect the passengers.
There is a difference between facts and statistics which are often unreliable and sometimes distorted by context.Sadly, not accepting facts is commonplace.
Any rational human being is entitled to, and should apply their own experience and knowledge to question government statistics, especially when that experience is relevant and worthwhile.Statistics can be massaged to suit and from walking around the street at night and first hand tales from my mate who is a security manager I don’t believe a single word of it.
It looks like a planned targeted attack against a large number of people. Surely that’s terrorism?It's not even terrorism imo. Its two sickos.
They'd be proud of being called terrorists. (If that's what had happened here that is).
The notion of ‘good guys’ battling against ‘bad guys’ having so much cultural currency is probably the main reason that gun deaths are so prolific in the States because it legitimises and reinforces widespread gun ownership, and provides a simplistic and utterly flawed solution to a complex problem.
It serves as a specious justification for a system around gun ownership that causes widespread misery and fear - and ultimately enables (inter alia) school shootings to take place more readily.
Yep
@paulchapo - my original reaction wasn't an attack on you and I apologise if it came across that way.
We're all a bit sensitive at work today. And thoroughly pissed off.
My union has been more proactive that our management this morning sending out communications and that bloody see it say it sorted it message seems to be on a loop. Apart from that I've not seen any increase in security. No BTP or travel safe officers.
That maybe a good sign in some respects. But some reassurance to passengers and staff might be good today.
well no, not necessarily.It looks like a planned targeted attack against a large number of people. Surely that’s terrorism?
Train guards are trained in security. We are briefed on handling what we call MTA's (Marauding Terrorist Attacks), and Issued with Body worn cameras. Identifying potential bombs/shady fuckers etc.They should upgrade the role of the train guard to include security, train them, and pay them a lot more. Robots can drive trains but they can’t protect the passengers.
No, i don't.I know we've all been told not to speculate, but doesn't everyone think the lack of information about the perpetrators is itself very telling. I do.
Train guards are trained in security. We are briefed on handling what we call MTA's (Marauding Terrorist Attacks), and Issued with Body worn cameras. Identifying potential bombs/shady fuckers etc.
Travel safe officers are also on some train on Saturday nights within the company I work for.
As I've said previously. Saturday night services are a regular flashpoint for incidents because people are pissed/drugged up. However they aren't as severe as this one hence the reporting.
But yeah. We all greedy lazy bastards according to the RW media.
They still are.Absolutely. It wasn't that long ago greedy train operators were trying to get rid of train guards, an absolutely insane proposal.