I hate to say it

[BlueMoonraker]

Why would anyone want to swap Mancini with Mourinho?
Whatever mistakes Mancini makes this season, he will learn from them and won't repeat them next season. If we don't win the league this season it's hardly going to ruin anyone's live after the shit we have had to endure over the years. We are improving year on year and sacking the manager will only take us back down the ladder. Regardless of the outcome to the season, Mancini must stay.

 

[cookster]

Why would anyone want to swap Mancini with Mourinho?
Whatever mistakes Mancini makes this season, he will learn from them and won't repeat them next season. If we don't win the league this season it's hardly going to ruin anyone's live after the shit we have had to endure over the years. We are improving year on year and sacking the manager will only take us back down the ladder. Regardless of the outcome to the season, Mancini must stay.

I'm a Mancini fan but that's a pretty stupid question, Mourinho has;

- Won the Premier League twice
- Won the Champs League twice
- Looks like he's going to beat probably the best club side ever to the La Liga

He might be a cock but he's a born winner and gets the job done.

Bobby has become more irractic and paranoid over the last few weeks - not a good sign!!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Completely agree.

The only way you can objectively judge a manager (any manager, not just a football one) is by results.

To a large degree, how they achieve those results is irrelevant... until the results no longer come. Then, and only then, are his methods scrutinised.

That's the position for Mancini right now. And will be for the rest of his managerial career. Managers accept that. Them's the rules of the game.

That's why Moyes is a "good" manager, because he achieves "results" within the expectation levels of his Directors. But is nothing as compared to Mancini's record. But Mancini is working on a different plane, and so the expectation levels from his Directors are different.

That's why the greater pressure is on managers like Mancini as opposed to Moyes. That's why Mancini gets paid four times as much as Moyes!

This is also why I believe that Mancini should go if we don't win the league.

There are no excuses for not winning the league when we are top in February and have our hardest run of games out of the way. If he fails to achieve this, even if it's on goal difference, then by my count he should be judged as a manager who failed to win a trophy.

Like you say, it's based on expectation. I never expected us to be in this position at the beginning of the year and I honestly don't think the board did. I think they expected us to be in the fight but not the front runners. However, this doesn't mean anything in terms of how we can label him as a success or failure. The expectations over the season have changed and I think people forget this. The expectation is now to win it. Anything else is a failure.

Expectations are a strange one this season. Before it started, no one, really, expected us to be within this much of a shout at the league. (Although, we did come 3rd last season, on the same points as Chelsea!)

However, this is United's worst team for a long time, yet they have a better points tally now, compared to this point last season.
Chelsea- they will almost definitely not be this bad next season.

On the one hand, I think this is going to be one of our best opportunities of winning the league, as we are unlikely to have as good a start as we did, Chelsea will not be as poor, and United won't have such a poor team. This is what I find slightly worrying.

BUT, like I said, United do have a better points tally now, than they did last year, so who knows.

I was very vociferous that the title was the target this year. I felt we
Were good enough to challenge last yearf

 

[lastmanback]

This argument about united having more points with a shit team just shows how bad the standard is in the prem. This title could not be any easier for mancini with the normal top 4 at there weakest for a long time. If we don't win title there is no question. He'll have to go.

 

[prima]

What a fickle lot we have, all entitled to an opinion, but FFS we are top, lost 3 games, granted not playing as well as we have done but the scum and the media seem to revel in the fact that "we (utd) are not playing well but level" no matter how you play you only get 3 pts for a win, hence the reason the scum are level, we did them 6-1 remember.

We may be in uncharted waters as fans and a team, but as a management team we have plenty of winning experience.

So stands to reason if we the fans can handle it hopefully the players can, so we have to get behind the lads and sing them to glory.

Talking about Bobby being sacked and ZDeko is naff is not good, all this negative chat feeds the neg heads in the media, if they begin to report that the fans are losing it how will that look.?

So come Lads & Lasses do what we we as City fans are known for, loyal support and a great sense of humour.


Forza Mancini

CTID


prima

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Surely the likely availability of Mourinho changes the landscape? By your definition, Mourinho is clearly the better manager? Yet people want us to say 'no thanks' to the best in the business and watch him work wonders at a major rival. Total madness imo.

Mourinho is clearly the better manager.

However, this doesn't mean that we sack the incumbent because better becomes available any more than it means we sell our striker because he isn't as good as David Villa.

People will never get the chance to be great unless they earn that chance. If Mancini wins the league he has earnt his chance.

By the way, I've never seen a more sudden u-turn in opinion on this forum than yours over the last week or so. You went from sarcy comments at me about how it was as likely that the stadium would explode as Mancini lose his job, to comments like the above,

Just saying

 

[Michael Corleone]

Anyone that thinks Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho is deluded. Maybe Mancini is more loyal than Mourinho would be, and not as arrogant, but it all boils down to who is the better manager that would deliver trophies.

Mourinho is a far superior manager and a tactical genius. Sadly Mancini, though still a great manager, will never be on the same level as Mourinho.


I hope we keep with Mancini but if the chance came up to get Mourinho I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat.

 

[Ardwickeb]

Last night's performance was piss poor. We had one shot on target in 90 mins and never looked like scoring. As numerous people have said when teams park the bus we struggle big time especially without Yaya. Its easy to blame the manager and all City fans should resist that however we are allowed to question his signings. Dzeko is a disaster and his confidence is shot. Aguero is a smashing player but at the moment all his work is outside the penalty area. My biggest concern is we do not have a natural goal scorer. Afraid to say it but can we trust Mario? I have my doubts and teams will continue to wind him up. Kolorov looks disinterested and I am afraid not nearly good enough. In fact looks a lazy so and so! We desperately need pace on the wings and again AJ's confidence looks gone and his body language tells you he would rather be somewhere else. Teams will continue to frustrate us and it's going to be tough. We need more from Nasri and quickly. Don't believe Bobby underestimated Everton last night. Was trying to take pressure off the team. Did it work? No idea. Maybe Fulham game will tell us. A win against them and a Chelsea win changes everything again but those bastards will hang in there to the end.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Last night's performance was piss poor. We had one shot on target in 90 mins and never looked like scoring. As numerous people have said when teams park the bus we struggle big time especially without Yaya. Its easy to blame the manager and all City fans should resist that however we are allowed to question his signings. Dzeko is a disaster and his confidence is shot. Aguero is a smashing player but at the moment all his work is outside the penalty area. My biggest concern is we do not have a natural goal scorer. Afraid to say it but can we trust Mario? I have my doubts and teams will continue to wind him up. Kolorov looks disinterested and I am afraid not nearly good enough. In fact looks a lazy so and so! We desperately need pace on the wings and again AJ's confidence looks gone and his body language tells you he would rather be somewhere else. Teams will continue to frustrate us and it's going to be tough. We need more from Nasri and quickly. Don't believe Bobby underestimated Everton last night. Was trying to take pressure off the team. Did it work? No idea. Maybe Fulham game will tell us. A win against them and a Chelsea win changes everything again but those bastards will hang in there to the end.

Your post confirms exactly why Mourinho would be such a good appointment. It should be Bobbys job to get the confidence back into those players, when Adebayor went out to Madrid he said that Mourinho made you "feel like you were going to war, and prepared to die". Mancini simply doesn't have that man management skill. So many of our players look completely shot of confidence and it didn't just happen of all of a sudden. I believe in Mancini but he really needs to work on his English/man management.

 

[Damocles]

Surely the likely availability of Mourinho changes the landscape? By your definition, Mourinho is clearly the better manager? Yet people want us to say 'no thanks' to the best in the business and watch him work wonders at a major rival. Total madness imo.

Mourinho is clearly the better manager.

However, this doesn't mean that we sack the incumbent because better becomes available any more than it means we sell our striker because he isn't as good as David Villa.

People will never get the chance to be great unless they earn that chance. If Mancini wins the league he has earnt his chance.

By the way, I've never seen a more sudden u-turn in opinion on this forum than yours over the last week or so. You went from sarcy comments at me about how it was as likely that the stadium would explode as Mancini lose his job, to comments like the above,

Just saying

I've been consistent all along.

I believe in Mancini's ability to consistently meet his targets. I think he's a talented man who can go and win us the league next year, and the CL after that. He will raise his game every time they raise their expectations. If he gets into Year 8 and gets beaten to the league, then he'll have a case for maybe trusting him to continue, but if he fails in his second season in charge, an FA Cup will not be enough to save him. As I say, I don't like the situation, but that doesn't change what the situation is.

That was 9 months ago.

And I disagreed with you that we should plan now for Mancini to be gone at the end of year, using a comparison saying that we don't plan for the stadium to explode either.

You never plan expecting to fail.