Ian Brown

I think there’s something very sinister going on yes, I’ve never seen irrefutable proof masks work and if there is and they do then why do we need lockdowns ?

why are they so insistent on 18-50 year olds have a 0.02% chance of dying from this virus taking the vaccine ? If the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated what’s the issue ?
do you think 0.02% is a justifiable number to take our freedoms away for over a year and still ongoing ?
the Government advisor body yesterday admitted the vaccines will lower humans natural immunity, so it looks like once we’ve taken these vaccines it will be a lifetime of booster jabs which will make the big Phama billions and billions

the government themselves admit the effects on fertility are UNKNOWN. Do you think it’s fair to be pressuring young people who might want to start a family one day to take this vaccine and demonising people who say they don’t want to take an experimental drug

I don’t care if people mock me and call me a tin foil hat man this stuff doesn’t add up to me and I think more and more people are smelling a rat
I love a good conspiracy, but even I can't lean as far as the whole thing has been made up.

Will governments across the world be taking advantage of the state of the world and possibly testing / pushing the boundaries in terms of data collection or clipping certain liberties? I would have thought so yes.

To the levels that Brown is going on about, nah can't see it.

Much easier to just poison the waterhole and sedate us that way...........
 
I love a good conspiracy, but even I can't lean as far as the whole thing has been made up.

Will governments across the world be taking advantage of the state of the world and possibly testing / pushing the boundaries in terms of data collection or clipping certain liberties? I would have thought so yes.

To the levels that Brown is going on about, nah can't see it.

Much easier to just poison the waterhole and sedate us that way...........

I do like him in a live concert though because you can’t hear the daft fucker
 
Tetanus,
Cholera,
Diphtheria,
Hepatitis A, Hep B,
Yellow Fever,
Rabies
Typhoid

I have had all these vaccines to go places I have traveled round the world

Add to that Polio and TB as a kid and also the flu jab most years.

Mr Brown must have had to take some of these too to tour globally and when in school, so not sure why he or any other anti-vaxer is so vexed at this one, pure conspirosy nobishness in my opinion.
 

  1. Tang, J. W., Liebner, T. J., Craven, B. A. & Settles, G. S. A schlieren optical study of the human cough with and without wearing masks for aerosol infection control. Journal of the Royal Society Interface 6, S727–S736 (2009).
    Google Scholar

  2. Grinshpun, S. A. et al. Performance of an n95 filtering facepiece particulate respirator and a surgical mask during human breathing: two pathways for particle penetration. Journal of occupational and environmental hygiene 6, 593–603 (2009).
    CrossRefPubMedWeb of ScienceGoogle Scholar

  3. Lyu, W. & Wehby, G. L. Community use of face masks and covid-19: Evidence from a natural experiment of state mandates in the us: Study examines impact on covid-19 growth rates associated with state government mandates requiring face mask use in public. Health Affairs 39, 1419– 1425 (2020).
    CrossRefGoogle Scholar

  4. Chu, D. K. et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of sars-cov-2 and covid-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet 395, 1973–1987(2020).
    CrossRefGoogle Scholar

  5. Leung, N. H. L. et al. Respiratory virus shedding in ex-haled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nature Medicine 26, 676–680 (2020).
    CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar

  6. Chan, J. F.-W. et al. Surgical mask partition reduces the risk of non-contact transmission in a golden syrian hamster model for coronavirus disease 2019 (covid-19). Clinical Infectious Diseases 71, 2139–2149 (2020).
    Google Scholar

  7. Fischer, E. P. et al. Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech. Science Advances 6, eabd3083 (2020).
    FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar

  8. Asadi, S. et al. Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities. Scientific Reports 10, 1–13 (2020).
They are just a small number from hundreds of studies that show the effectiveness of wearing masks against the spread of a virus from our respiratory system. Obviously, it doesn’t completely stop people contracting the virus, but the viral loads being transmitted are greatly reduced and therefore the knock-on effect of stopping the spread increases as there is less virus circulating the population. Individuals can contract viruses without there being a community spread. It’s the spread that’s the important thing.

We need lockdowns because of the surface-to-face contraction, the amount of people who come into contact with each other which would increase the risk even with wearing a mask, but also because of the idiots who refuse to wear masks and wash/sanitise their hands upon entering a premises (shop/pub/someone’s home) and refuse to social distance.

Vaccines aren’t simply about stopping people dying, they’re about stopping the spread and chances of mutation. The more people get vaccinated, the fewer people carry larger viral loads (as the virus can’t replicate across cells in the respiratory system as much), therefore smaller viral loads are spread and there’s a smaller chance of the virus making people seriously ill or killing them, and a smaller chance of the virus mutating into a different variant.

No vaccine is 100% effective and many are only spot-effective (effective against a certain number of variants at any one time) so if people are spreading large viral loads of the virus around, it increases the chances of those who would get seriously ill or die from it from catching it, even if they’ve had the vaccine, as well as increasing the chances of a mutation that creates a variant that bypasses the current vaccine or is more violent and increases the death numbers in younger people.

That’s why they’re so intent on 18-50 year olds getting the vaccine, because 18-50 year olds can very readily contract this virus, allow it to replicate and create large viral loads and allow it to spread because they’re an age bracket who mix with other people a lot at an age where the virus can present itself (unlike young children who also mix a lot but don’t have the virus presented in them as much).

This heat map shows the cases per age group across the different regions. The darker the colour, the more cases:
View attachment 13978

In every region in the UK (and I’d hazard a guess the whole world), it’s the 18-50 year olds who’ve spread this virus that’s killed so many people the most. That’s why our freedoms have been taken away for a year and ongoing. That’s why it’s important the middle age groups get the vaccine.



British people have vaccines for the following viruses/bacteria/infections/diseases throughout their childhood:
Diphtheria
Hepatitis B
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B
Polio
Tetanus
Pertussis
Rotavirus
Meningococcal Group B
Pneumococcal
Meningitis C
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Influenza
Human Papillomavirus

And through their adult life:
Meningitis and Septicaemia for university students
Pneumococcal
Influenza
Shingles

When I was a teenager, I also had the BSG tuberculosis vaccine. Now that’s only given at birth in areas of the country where they’ve had instances of TB.

SARS-CoV-2 is just another one, a new one, in that list. And in the coming decades there will likely be more.

All of them present potential side effects. Every single one. As does taking paracetamol and any other kind of over-the-counter medication, as do prescription drugs that we take to stop an illness, as does smoking, eating an unhealthy diet, drinking alcohol, leading a sedentary lifestyle, living close to busy roads (petrol fumes and microscopic plastic from tyres wearing down being breathed in), even general breathing itself;
“So with every breath we take, our risk of getting cancer goes up”

Not having a vaccine because you’re afraid of the side effects of vaccines that will save many many more people than it presents side effects in, is a backwards way of doing things. It’s like stopping breathing so you don’t get cancer.

Brilliant.
 
It wasn’t unfortunately, I was sad enough to compose that this morning. I’m going to make a bacon butty now (which has side effects n’all) though and get ready for the footy!
Ah, the side effects of the ubiquitous supermarket 'smoked' bacon, mass produced with copious amounts of added ingredients to make it taste appetizing and authentic.

You got the F.E.A.R mate.

Fearlessly.Eating.All.Rind ; )
 
Do you believe all the governments around the world are lying to their own people? Do you believe all the virologists are lying? all the vaccine experts, all scientists? all the health organisations? All doctors and nurses? WHY??!!
I've had so many debates with people that have made comments like yours...only to later find they're flat Earthers or "chemtrailers"!!

nope I believe the earth is round and have no knowledge of the chemtrails subject

I don’t believe all the virologists and vaccine experts and doctors are lying as I’ve seen numerous ones say we should not take this vaccine
Not all doctors and nurses have taken the vaccine as they like me don’t want to take an experimental drug which I’m afraid it’s a fact that is what it is
I’m not anti vaccine I’m just uneasy about it after hearing so many experts in the field advise against it

I do believe that Faucci I think his name is the head of the WHO is corrupt and giving bogus information to governments for his own gain

the report on the governments website on 31st of March saying the vaccine WILL lower the body’s natural immunity and come August the hospital admissions and deaths will be dominated by those who’ve had both doses of the vaccine has also worried me. The report is still on there if anyone wants to read it themselves.
I feel with talk of different strains already that it will get put down to that strains reaction to vaccinated people
I’m concerned that all vaccine companies last year were made exempt from paying any damages as why would they do that if they know it’s safe
I think it’s unfair that by their own admission the effects this vaccine will have on fertility are unknown ( again you can find this on the governments website) and bullying young people who might want a family one day into taking it while this is the case
 

  1. Tang, J. W., Liebner, T. J., Craven, B. A. & Settles, G. S. A schlieren optical study of the human cough with and without wearing masks for aerosol infection control. Journal of the Royal Society Interface 6, S727–S736 (2009).
    Google Scholar

  2. Grinshpun, S. A. et al. Performance of an n95 filtering facepiece particulate respirator and a surgical mask during human breathing: two pathways for particle penetration. Journal of occupational and environmental hygiene 6, 593–603 (2009).
    CrossRefPubMedWeb of ScienceGoogle Scholar

  3. Lyu, W. & Wehby, G. L. Community use of face masks and covid-19: Evidence from a natural experiment of state mandates in the us: Study examines impact on covid-19 growth rates associated with state government mandates requiring face mask use in public. Health Affairs 39, 1419– 1425 (2020).
    CrossRefGoogle Scholar

  4. Chu, D. K. et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of sars-cov-2 and covid-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet 395, 1973–1987(2020).
    CrossRefGoogle Scholar

  5. Leung, N. H. L. et al. Respiratory virus shedding in ex-haled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nature Medicine 26, 676–680 (2020).
    CrossRefPubMedGoogle Scholar

  6. Chan, J. F.-W. et al. Surgical mask partition reduces the risk of non-contact transmission in a golden syrian hamster model for coronavirus disease 2019 (covid-19). Clinical Infectious Diseases 71, 2139–2149 (2020).
    Google Scholar

  7. Fischer, E. P. et al. Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech. Science Advances 6, eabd3083 (2020).
    FREE Full TextGoogle Scholar

  8. Asadi, S. et al. Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities. Scientific Reports 10, 1–13 (2020).
They are just a small number from hundreds of studies that show the effectiveness of wearing masks against the spread of a virus from our respiratory system. Obviously, it doesn’t completely stop people contracting the virus, but the viral loads being transmitted are greatly reduced and therefore the knock-on effect of stopping the spread increases as there is less virus circulating the population. Individuals can contract viruses without there being a community spread. It’s the spread that’s the important thing.

We need lockdowns because of the surface-to-face contraction, the amount of people who come into contact with each other which would increase the risk even with wearing a mask, but also because of the idiots who refuse to wear masks and wash/sanitise their hands upon entering a premises (shop/pub/someone’s home) and refuse to social distance.

Vaccines aren’t simply about stopping people dying, they’re about stopping the spread and chances of mutation. The more people get vaccinated, the fewer people carry larger viral loads (as the virus can’t replicate across cells in the respiratory system as much), therefore smaller viral loads are spread and there’s a smaller chance of the virus making people seriously ill or killing them, and a smaller chance of the virus mutating into a different variant.

No vaccine is 100% effective and many are only spot-effective (effective against a certain number of variants at any one time) so if people are spreading large viral loads of the virus around, it increases the chances of those who would get seriously ill or die from it from catching it, even if they’ve had the vaccine, as well as increasing the chances of a mutation that creates a variant that bypasses the current vaccine or is more violent and increases the death numbers in younger people.

That’s why they’re so intent on 18-50 year olds getting the vaccine, because 18-50 year olds can very readily contract this virus, allow it to replicate and create large viral loads and allow it to spread because they’re an age bracket who mix with other people a lot at an age where the virus can present itself (unlike young children who also mix a lot but don’t have the virus presented in them as much).

This heat map shows the cases per age group across the different regions. The darker the colour, the more cases:
View attachment 13978

In every region in the UK (and I’d hazard a guess the whole world), it’s the 18-50 year olds who’ve spread this virus that’s killed so many people the most. That’s why our freedoms have been taken away for a year and ongoing. That’s why it’s important the middle age groups get the vaccine.



British people have vaccines for the following viruses/bacteria/infections/diseases throughout their childhood:
Diphtheria
Hepatitis B
Haemophilus Influenzae Type B
Polio
Tetanus
Pertussis
Rotavirus
Meningococcal Group B
Pneumococcal
Meningitis C
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Influenza
Human Papillomavirus

And through their adult life:
Meningitis and Septicaemia for university students
Pneumococcal
Influenza
Shingles

When I was a teenager, I also had the BSG tuberculosis vaccine. Now that’s only given at birth in areas of the country where they’ve had instances of TB.

SARS-CoV-2 is just another one, a new one, in that list. And in the coming decades there will likely be more.

All of them present potential side effects. Every single one. As does taking paracetamol and any other kind of over-the-counter medication, as do prescription drugs that we take to stop an illness, as does smoking, eating an unhealthy diet, drinking alcohol, leading a sedentary lifestyle, living close to busy roads (petrol fumes and microscopic plastic from tyres wearing down being breathed in), even general breathing itself;
“So with every breath we take, our risk of getting cancer goes up”

Not having a vaccine because you’re afraid of the side effects of vaccines that will save many many more people than it presents side effects in, is a backwards way of doing things. It’s like stopping breathing so you don’t get cancer.
Brilliant post mate and I hope this has been pasted in the main covid thread
 

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