mancitymick
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If it was anyone else who did not wear a police uniform you would have been charged with "Manslughter".
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ian tomlinson
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TheMightyQuinn
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Typical behaviour by the pigs.
This is just the ONE story that got some coverage, the beast are out there right now abusing people, physically and mentally with little comeback.
On the plus side, this bloke is lucky he was only attacked by one pig, it's usually a few of them that like to give people a kicking.
This is just the ONE story that got some coverage, the beast are out there right now abusing people, physically and mentally with little comeback.
On the plus side, this bloke is lucky he was only attacked by one pig, it's usually a few of them that like to give people a kicking.
marco
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tueartsboots said:so what you are saying Mr Tomlinson was bound to have a heart attack that day regardless? agreed on pig being offensive, bloody filthbluwes said:The standard of evidence in a criminal court in this country is " Beyond ALL reasonable doubt". There is no way on gods green earth that officer would have been convicted. there fore he is not and never will be classed as a murderer.
And no I don't like the word PIG it is offensive
not only mr tomlinson was going to have a heart attack that day he has one within 20 minutes of being batterd with a stick, ''bastards''''
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blueinsa
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Disgusting!
Anybody else seen on camera doing this and it resulting in the persons death would have the book thrown at them, rightly so as well.
The copper should face trial.
Never mind some fucking suit deciding that there is no reasonable chance of a conviction, what ever happened to a jury, deciding what the verdict should be, dependant on the evidence?
Nothing but a cover up and yet another example of murder being given the green light, as long as you do it in a police uniform!
Anybody else seen on camera doing this and it resulting in the persons death would have the book thrown at them, rightly so as well.
The copper should face trial.
Never mind some fucking suit deciding that there is no reasonable chance of a conviction, what ever happened to a jury, deciding what the verdict should be, dependant on the evidence?
Nothing but a cover up and yet another example of murder being given the green light, as long as you do it in a police uniform!
Flixton blue
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kiam06 said:I think the verdict is a fair one, It is a tragedy the guy lost his life and maybe the force used was excessive but you can see in the footage he was deliberately walking in front of the police line to wind them up when they were trying to clear the area, he wasn't an innocent bystander like some claim he was, for me he was trying to provoke the police into attacking to get the video footage and it went badly wrong for him.
I will repeat for those who can't read first time, the guy did NOT deserve to die but when you put yourself in front of an advancing line of riot poilice in a conflict situation the chances are you will be seriously injured.
Think you've got completely the wrong end of the stick. Do you honestly think this porr guy was trying to provoke the police in order to get some video footage? What planet do you live on? Look at him, does he look like your average anti-capitalist protestor? The truth is he was just a normal bloke in his 50s trying to get home after selling his newspapers and found his usual route home blocked at every turn by police cordons. He is walking in front of the police lines because he is trying to figure out how to get away from the protest.
I've got a lot of time for the police and by and large i think they do a good job but there is a significant minority in the police who are an absolute disgrace and are nothing but bullies. You only have to go to a few away games with City to see how badly joe public gets treated by some officers.
Although it might be difficult to prove a murder charge surely there is more than enough evidence for an assault charge to stick? The whole case stinks and this officer should be out of a job and facing some prison time.
i8rags
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as a serving officer, i say he slipped and the baton was aimed in an attempt to support his weight from falling too hard. i would suggest this was very successful and helped him have 20 mins more to enjoy. a medal would be advisable for the courageous officer concerned.
The 'offending' officer apparently was tried for a similar offence in 2002 and was found not guilty. Stinks to high heaven this one!!!!
The CPS worded that statement very carefully last night. "for the matter being investigated". A private prosecution may be an option...
Interesting to note that the CPS conclude that there is sufficient evidence that Officer A behaved unlawfully...
The first issue that the CPS considered was whether the actions of PC 'A' were lawful. Having analysed the available evidence very carefully, the CPS concluded that there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of proving that the actions of PC 'A' in striking Mr Tomlinson with his baton and then pushing him over constituted an assault. At the time of those acts, Mr Tomlinson did not pose a threat to PC 'A' or any other police officer. Whilst the officer was entitled to require Mr Tomlinson to move out of Royal Exchange, there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of proving that his actions were disproportionate and unjustified.
AND REGARDING THE 'IN PUBLIC OFFICE' charges....
As a result, we have concluded that the conduct of PC 'A' did not meet the high threshold required to constitute the offence of misconduct in public office.
Witness report considered by the CPS....
One witness described Mr Tomlinson as looking 'disoriented' as he was in Royal Exchange. As the police line approached him, he had his hands in his pockets and walked slowly in front of the officers. A police dog handler put his hand out to move Mr Tomlinson away and a police dog bit him on the side of his leg. Mr Tomlinson did not appear to react to this dog bite, but continued slowly moving at an angle across the police line.
PC 'A', who was behind the dog handler, moved forward and using his baton struck Mr Tomlinson on the left thigh. Almost immediately he pushed Mr Tomlinson very strongly in the back. This push caused Mr Tomlinson to fall heavily to the floor and, because he had his hands in his pockets, he was unable to break his fall.
Bystanders helped Mr Tomlinson to his feet. He then left Royal Exchange and walked a short distance into Threadneedle Street. He was seen by members of the public to walk up the street and then appeared to bump into a building and slowly collapsed to the floor. Members of the public came to his assistance, but Mr Tomlinson's condition deteriorated rapidly. Police and paramedics gave him first aid and sought to resuscitate him in the street and on the way to hospital but, regrettably, they were unsuccessful and Mr Tomlinson died
The CPS worded that statement very carefully last night. "for the matter being investigated". A private prosecution may be an option...
Interesting to note that the CPS conclude that there is sufficient evidence that Officer A behaved unlawfully...
The first issue that the CPS considered was whether the actions of PC 'A' were lawful. Having analysed the available evidence very carefully, the CPS concluded that there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of proving that the actions of PC 'A' in striking Mr Tomlinson with his baton and then pushing him over constituted an assault. At the time of those acts, Mr Tomlinson did not pose a threat to PC 'A' or any other police officer. Whilst the officer was entitled to require Mr Tomlinson to move out of Royal Exchange, there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of proving that his actions were disproportionate and unjustified.
AND REGARDING THE 'IN PUBLIC OFFICE' charges....
As a result, we have concluded that the conduct of PC 'A' did not meet the high threshold required to constitute the offence of misconduct in public office.
Witness report considered by the CPS....
One witness described Mr Tomlinson as looking 'disoriented' as he was in Royal Exchange. As the police line approached him, he had his hands in his pockets and walked slowly in front of the officers. A police dog handler put his hand out to move Mr Tomlinson away and a police dog bit him on the side of his leg. Mr Tomlinson did not appear to react to this dog bite, but continued slowly moving at an angle across the police line.
PC 'A', who was behind the dog handler, moved forward and using his baton struck Mr Tomlinson on the left thigh. Almost immediately he pushed Mr Tomlinson very strongly in the back. This push caused Mr Tomlinson to fall heavily to the floor and, because he had his hands in his pockets, he was unable to break his fall.
Bystanders helped Mr Tomlinson to his feet. He then left Royal Exchange and walked a short distance into Threadneedle Street. He was seen by members of the public to walk up the street and then appeared to bump into a building and slowly collapsed to the floor. Members of the public came to his assistance, but Mr Tomlinson's condition deteriorated rapidly. Police and paramedics gave him first aid and sought to resuscitate him in the street and on the way to hospital but, regrettably, they were unsuccessful and Mr Tomlinson died
Ricster
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This is a case of the police looking after the police. Here are 2 local cases in Dumfries and Galloway, where both police officers will still recieve their full pension's after both acts.
Case 1 - John Kelly is believed to be given parol this year after an attempted murder charge and only 4 years inside for this horrific crime.
Case 2 - This officer was released in 2008 after a 4 year sentance for the rape of 2 women.
2 months ago, i committed a breach of the peace, public order offence, and not been in trouble with the police since i was 17, which was 15 years ago. I got put in the cells for 2 days. Should've murdered someone, i might have got away with it.
Case 1 - John Kelly is believed to be given parol this year after an attempted murder charge and only 4 years inside for this horrific crime.
Police officer tried to saw off ex-wife's head
By David Lister, Scotland Correspondent for The Times
John Kelly, 45, ploughed his car head on into his former wife’s Mini before jumping on top of her and hacking at her neck using a saw with a 12 inch blade.
The former police sergeant, said to have been driven to distraction after his wife of 20 years left him for her gym instructor, spent between three and five minutes sawing at her throat and was only stopped when another officer drove past by chance.
The screams and injuries suffered by Audrey McDowall, 43, would haunt those who witnessed the attack for the rest of their lives, the High Court in Dumfries was told.
A 15-year-old boy and four women were among those who saw Kelly, at the time a sergeant with Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary, but were too frightened to intervene.
Kelly, of Dumfries, who pleaded guilty to attempted murder during a hearing yesterday, sat emotionless in the dock today as the attack was described in graphic detail.
Graeme Jessop, for the prosecution, said that a police officer who attended the incident believed that he was at the scene of a road traffic accident until he peered through the window of Ms McDowall’s yellow Mini.
Arriving at the scene on the busy Moffat Road shortly after 5pm on September 29, Sergeant Bruce Robison saw a man using a saw in what he initally thought was an attempt to cut through the seat belt of a trapped casualty.
On closer inspection, however, he "realised that the accused was kneeling on the passenger seat at an angle and he could see him putting some force through the saw as he was sawing at her neck", said Mr Jessop.
He added: "The witness did not appear to be moving or breathing and there was no sign of life or struggle from her."
McDowall, an assistant head teacher at a primary school, was taken to hospital where she was found to have a weak pulse and low blood pressure. She had a gaping wound some 15cm long, stretching from her left ear to the front of the neck.
The attack severed her external jugular vein and came within 4mm of an artery. It required 15 stitches but also left Ms McDowall permanently disfigured. She has also suffered from panic attacks and nightmares since the attack and only returned to work two months ago.
Kelly and Ms McDowall were married in 1985 but in 2002 she began an affair after becoming increasingly frustrated with their relationship, the court was told.
In May 2003 they separated in a "bitter and acrimonious" fashion, but Kelly continued to find it difficult to accept that his wife had left him for another man. He repeatedly telephoned, texted and wrote to Ms McDowall, visited her mother and also followed and confronted her lover, the court heard.
After Ms McDowall complained to police, senior officers advised Kelly to attend counselling sessions but he refused.
When the couples’s divorce was finally completed in August 2005, Ms McDowall believed that she was finally safe from Kelly’s harassment as she had not since him since May that year, the court was told.
On the day of the incident, however, her ex-husband appeared to snap as he saw her driving home in rush hour traffic on the opposite side of the road.
Mr Jessop said: "As soon as she saw the accused, she saw his face contort with rage and thought that he was going to deliberately drive into her. His car then crossed the carriageway and collided head on with her vehicle."
He added: "Immediately after the impact Audrey realised that she had to get out of the car and escape from the accused and tried to open the driver’s door. She recalls feeling desperate as she realised that the driver’s door was jammed as a result of the impact. She then saw the accused running towards her car.
Before she lost consciousness, Ms McDowall heard her husband repeating "You’re not going to get away with this" and "You’re not going to do this to me". As she begged for her life, she told him: "Don’t, John, think what they’ll do to you."
After Sgt Robison arrived, Kelly dropped the saw and fled, but his colleague caught him as he tried to run away. Kelly was remanded in custody for sentencing on July 5.
Case 2 - This officer was released in 2008 after a 4 year sentance for the rape of 2 women.
Rape policeman has sentence cut
Adam Carruthers
Adam Carruthers has maintained his innocence throughout
A former police inspector who was jailed for 12 years for rape has had his sentence cut by one year.
Adam Carruthers, 41, was imprisoned in 2001 for raping and indecently assaulting two women.
But at the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh a charge of making a threatening phone call to one of his victims was overturned.
Carruthers, who was described as a disgrace to his uniform, abandoned his challenge against the rape charges.
The father-of-two, a sergeant in Langholm at the time of the offences and later promoted to inspector with Dumfries and Galloway Police, went to jail protesting his innocence.
Call evidence
He claimed the allegations against him were the result of spiteful gossip.
Carruthers had intended to contest his convictions on all charges but his counsel, Herbert Kerrigan QC, told Lord Cullen, sitting with Lords MacLean and McCluskey, that the appeals against the remaining convictions had been dropped.
In a report to the appeal court Lord Dawson conceded that the guilty verdict on a charge of attempting to interfere with the police investigation into the rapes could not stand.
The conviction had rested on the uncorroborated evidence of a special constable.
Lord Dawson said he would still have jailed Carruthers for 12 years.
But cutting Carruthers' jail term to 11 years, Lord Cullen said: "It does require some alteration to sentence."
2 months ago, i committed a breach of the peace, public order offence, and not been in trouble with the police since i was 17, which was 15 years ago. I got put in the cells for 2 days. Should've murdered someone, i might have got away with it.
Prestwich_Blue
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Shocking. Should have known to use a hacksaw.Ricster said:Case 1 - John Kelly is believed to be given parol this year after an attempted murder charge and only 4 years inside for this horrific crime.
John Kelly, 45, ploughed his car head on into his former wife’s Mini before jumping on top of her and hacking at her neck using a saw with a 12 inch blade.
Seriously, the appalling thing about the Tomlinson decision was the CPS saying that the contradictory evidence of the three pathologists (where one said one thing and the later two said the injuries were consistent with an assault) would induce doubt in the jury and make it difficult for them to decide on a verdict. But isn't the point of a trial that there is potentially conflicting evidence that they need to decide on? The prosecution try to prove the defendant is guilty and the defence introduce evidence to prove otherwise.