if there was a general election tomorrow...

[GStar]

I'd say it's 98% that, come the end of the election, either Labour or Conservatives will be in power; most likely Conservatives.

I'd say people will vote for Conservatives because they're "Not Labour"... so in a way, many people will get what they deserve. When they all start moaning again, it'll be because they made uneducated decisions and followed the herd.

 

[djelanomcfc]

I originally thought this thread said if there was a general Erection......

 

[signtist]

lets put political bias to one side for a moment, labour have fucked up, fucked up in every aspect of government,they truely have no clue on how bad they have been. that alone means we need a change, a change that can pick up the pieces of our broken society, get rid of the benefit culture, the economic immigrants, the knife weilding yobs and the pathetic way of borrowing to fund borrowing mistakes of the past. now in all honesty i could'nt give a rats arse on who that might be but whether people like it or not the only party with the experience to handle this is the tories.

lets get our country back on an even keel then we can start the squabbling again, if then the tories fuck up then they will be ousted, and rightly so.

a change that allows your wonderful tories to subsidise the rich by taxing the poor. but heywho gives a fook?. no wonder the BNP get the votes of the tory right wing

 

[Bill]

lets put political bias to one side for a moment, labour have fucked up, fucked up in every aspect of government,they truely have no clue on how bad they have been. that alone means we need a change, a change that can pick up the pieces of our broken society, get rid of the benefit culture, the economic immigrants, the knife weilding yobs and the pathetic way of borrowing to fund borrowing mistakes of the past. now in all honesty i could'nt give a rats arse on who that might be but whether people like it or not the only party with the experience to handle this is the tories.

lets get our country back on an even keel then we can start the squabbling again, if then the tories fuck up then they will be ousted, and rightly so.

a change that allows your wonderful tories to subsidise the rich by taxing the poor. but heywho gives a fook?. no wonder the BNP get the votes of the tory right wing

i dont think they are "wonderful tories" i just know from experience that they will mop up the shit labour have got us in to.as for taxing the poor that can't happen, you can't tax what people have'nt got, mind you labour make a decent fist of it.

 

[mat]

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[crizack]

Anyone who votes for the BNP is an ignorant wanker. Simple as that.

I couldn't vote Tory, but Labour don't deserve it. Don't know enough about the smaller parties, i'd have to go through and see which made most sense to my situation.

i love democracy, especially when fascism is frowned upon, or is it the 'fighting fascism with fascism' i love?

 

[ultimateharold]

I propose a BM party.

We'll deal with all the issues of the country, by way of forum poll.

Immigration
Tax
Policing

Will all be sorted.





































But we'll do the FA first. Who's in?

 

[M18CTID]

I'm not really a political animal, I tend to listen to what they say and make up my mind nearer the elections. Manifestos and all that stuff. I suppose we got a flavour of what we can expect during the party conferences a few weeks ago.

The Tory's and the Lib Dems did'nt reveal a great deal, to me anyway, but I listened to Gordon Browns speech, and, well, I just could'nt believe my ears. He was saying we will increae spending on this, we will improve that, etc, etc, and I thought the man must be living in fantasy land. They were wonderful plans and aims, but where was the money going to come to pay for it all?

This country is on it's knees financially. It is going to take a generation to get out of the current mess we are in.

I don't know if it is right to lay all the blame on the government or the bankers. We have also played our part. You know, people borrowing stupid amounts of money so they can buy a house, and then start boasting about how much it has risen in value.

Whoever and whatever is to blame, I really don't care that much, to be honest. I don't understand a hedge fund. The reality is we are in a mess. I'm not looking for a scapegoat, I will be looking to the party that will be honest about what we will be facing over the next 10 to 15 years.

I know it will mean higher taxes. That is the only solution. There is no other way. And whatever the political party's may say in their manifestos, I will be looking for the party that has the most realistic grasp of the current situation and the balls to come out and say it.

I'm not expecting too much from them, to be honest, but all the party's, be they left, right or centre, are going to have their hands tied behind their backs for years to come because of the current financial climate.

And to answer the OP, I won't be voting Labour, as they always have, and always will, mess things up. I gave them a chance in 97. Never again, and after listening to Gordon Brown at their party conference, I need a realist, not a dreamer.

Great post and I agree with pretty much every single word of that.

Of the main parties, only Cameron has come out and said that taxes will have to go up. I decided ages ago that I'm going to break the habit of a lifetime and vote Conservative - Cameron's recent words, coupled with Warsi's display on QT the other night have convinced me still further to vote for them.

I find it utterly ridiculous to hear people say "No way am I voting Tory after what that woman Thatcher did". Margaret Thatcher hasn't been involved in British politics for 19 fucking years and tarring the present day Conservative party with the Thatcher brush is ludicrous.

 

[Anonymous]

I find it utterly ridiculous to hear people say "No way am I voting Tory after what that woman Thatcher did". Margaret Thatcher hasn't been involved in British politics for 19 fucking years and tarring the present day Conservative party with the Thatcher brush is ludicrous.

Well said. There's a lot of "I vote for them because my Father did, and my Grandfather before him, and my Great Grandfather before him, and... ad infinitum" (this seems particularly true with traditional Labour 'supporters'). Why more people don't look at each parties' relative merits before each election & then decide which way to vote is beyond me. For the record, I voted Labour in the last 2 elections. It's looking very much like Conservative this time around.

 

[ElanJo]

If you admit that you don't understand economics or even care about the roots of the current economic climate, how on earth can you a) determine that "there is no other way" than higher taxes and/or b) determine which "party that has the most realistic grasp of the current situation" ?

Am I going insane or is something not quite right there?




As for me, I won't be voting but I thank those who will from the bottom of my heart for forcing your views on me and others. But then again alot of people who vote are just on a comical merry-go-round - views don't come into it. Either way, if it wasn't based on good intentions, I think I would have more respect for the mugger... atleast he does his dirty work himself. Have a nice night!

I did'nt say I don't understand economics, I said I don't understand a hedge fund.

I wrote about the current economic climate being a noose around the neck of any political party for the next 10 to 15 years. As for me 'not caring' about the state of the country at the moment, nothing could be further from the truth. What I was saying is that we are all culpable. We can blame the bankers all we like, we can blame the government all we like, but at the end of the day, millions of people got giddy about the boom in house prices and took loans out to finance a lifestyle.

That lifestyle has now come home to roost, and like it or lump it, there simply is no other way this country can afford any other action than to put taxes up to repair the damage that has been caused by our collective recklessness.

How else can it be done?

The country has a major problem with it's finances, we are deeply in debt, and ask yourself a simple question. How do we resolve it?

I didn't mention the state of the country, I said the roots of the economic climate.

Millions of people didn't just get giddy for no reason. The cause was general economic policy and, more specifically, monetary policy. If you spike a bloke's drink it's not the bloke's fault if he gets "giddy".

The lifestyle has not come home to roost - policy has. To say that higher taxes is the only solution is to completely misunderstand how we got here in the first place. All you're doing is patching up an unsustainable system and when the next artificial 'boom' crashes it'll make for a far worse crisis than this one. Just shouting "raise taxes" is short-sighted and, in the end, self defeating. We need a drastically new system, one that isn't built to allow the Government and big business to shit all over the normal working person. Bail outs have to end. Subsidies have to end. Government spending has to be cut massively and, most importantly, fiat currency has to be done away with before it does away with us. The clock is ticking.