Don't agree with that. I think it was highly debatable whether a Jewish state should have been constructed on what had been Arab land for 100s of years.Well we don’t judge all Americans by the words and deeds of Donald Trump.
The same rule should apply to Israel.
It’s when people start questioning the right of Israel to even exist as a nation that’ll land you in hot water.
I thought the Indonesians actually wanted to take control of their own state from the Dutch.So one cannot be critical of the actions taken by the UN in 1949 to create a state by ignoring the wishes of the people living there? I wonder if this would get the go ahead today.
The definition has not been adopted by 31 countries, it has been adopted by....
Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, Austria, Germany, Israel and the United Kingdom.
Not getting tnto this as it seems a thread covered in jezza one
But I will ask if spitting image was making this sketch now would it be slammed by MSM?
Ok. Let’s say that another religious group that was spread around in different countries needed a place of their own because they felt unsafe and persecuted where they were. The UN have to find them somewhere but this time, they can’t go where they’re treading on someone else’s toes. That leaves them little choice. Places that are uninhabitable are uninhabitable for a reason. You can’t just put people in the North Pole, South Pole or harpurhey and expect them to like it.Don't agree with that. I think it was highly debatable whether a Jewish state should have been constructed on what had been Arab land for 100s of years.
The international community ie the US and the UK gave it the green light. All sorts of reasons for them doing so not least the holocaust. The European nations certainly owed the Jewish people big time.
Unfortunately creating the state of Israel displaced many non Jews.
Certainly don't think discussing this is anti Semitic.
It's certainly not anti-semitic to discuss it and it's been discussed many times on here. Occasionally people have overstepped the mark though and they've been sanctioned. I can assure you, after many discussions in the Mod forum, that Ric is very careful about being too reactive and will give people more than a fair chance to speak their minds. That's not always gone down well with me but he's right far more times than he's wrong.Don't agree with that. I think it was highly debatable whether a Jewish state should have been constructed on what had been Arab land for 100s of years.
The international community ie the US and the UK gave it the green light. All sorts of reasons for them doing so not least the holocaust. The European nations certainly owed the Jewish people big time.
Unfortunately creating the state of Israel displaced many non Jews.
Certainly don't think discussing this is anti Semitic.
Do you know how Pakistan was created? That was done to provide a religious haven for Muslims, who were a minority in British India. So the UK partitioned India unilaterally without the help of the UN the year before the Palestine partition. 15m people were displaced and possibly up to 2 million people killed. Many of those 15m ended up in refugee camps but funnily enough they & their descendants aren't there now, 70 years later.Ok. Let’s say that another religious group that was spread around in different countries needed a place of their own because they felt unsafe and persecuted where they were. The UN have to find them somewhere but this time, they can’t go where they’re treading on someone else’s toes. That leaves them little choice. Places that are uninhabitable are uninhabitable for a reason. You can’t just put people in the North Pole, South Pole or harpurhey and expect them to like it.
It's certainly not anti-semitic to discuss it and it's been discussed many times on here. Occasionally people have overstepped the mark though and they've been sanctioned. I can assure you, after many discussions in the Mod forum, that Ric is very careful about being too reactive and will give people more than a fair chance to speak their minds. That's not always gone down well with me but he's right far more times than he's wrong.
But to answer some of your points, which are a little inaccurate. The region was Ottoman-controlled territory for hundreds of years, who were Turks not Arabs. The last self-governing (what we would now call sovereign) state on that territory was undoubtedly a Jewish one.
Secondly the UK didn't exactly give Israel the green light. They simply handed the problem back to the UN and actually abstained in the Partition vote. In fact the Russians proabably had more to do with its creation than anyone else as they saw a chance to embarrass the UK and create a rift between us and the USA so they and their satellites in the Soviet Union fully supported the resolution. It wouldn't have been passed otherwise. Resolution 181 was non-binding (as most UN resolutions are) but the Jews decided to declare a state on their territory while the Arabs around refused to accept it. As a consequence, Arab armies attacked as soon as the Israelis announced statehood and this triggered the 1948 War of Independence. It was that war that caused the displacement of so many Arabs not the creation of Israel in itself.
Had the Arabs accepted Resolution 181 they would have had a far bigger territory than they have now or could hope to get now. Had those Arab armies won the war in 1948, there still wouldn't have been a Palestinian state as their well-documented intention was to absorb the territories into Syria & Egypt. They may well have fought each other over that subsequently. Once that war was over and international boundaries finally agreed and established, Jordan could have created a separate state in the West Bank but it annexed the territory, then lost it in the Six Day War. Egypt didn't annexe Gaza but it was effectively under Egyptian military rule. Again, they could have created a separate state but didn't.
So it's not quite a simple as "Israel stole the land from the Arabs".
Do you know how Pakistan was created? That was done to provide a religious haven for Muslims, who were a minority in British India. So the UK partitioned India unilaterally without the help of the UN the year before the Palestine partition. 15m people were displaced and possibly up to 2 million people killed. Many of those 15m ended up in refugee camps but funnily enough they & their descendants aren't there now, 70 years later.
I think this is exactly to the point - has Bluemoon adopted it? There has been a clamour n here for Labour to do so ( though still the Tories don't and are not pressured oddly ) - I think posters have the right to know whether we are at liberty should the occasion arise to criticsze Israel and / or its Government or will that result in a BM thread ban? It would be nice to know beforehand that was all. If we haven't adopted it then fair enough we can criticsize the State of Israel and not be automatically considered anti semitic. This genie is out of the bottle in so many areas of life now.