Ilkay Gundogan - 2019/20 Performances

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3 Villa counterattacks today came from him getting to the first Villa player with the ball and Ilkay pulling out of the tackle, one of them lead to Fernandinho's yellow card, on tuesday it lead to the penalty.

I like him, I think he does everything else in the role well, but until he starts making those tackles where he either wins the ball back or takes the player down, we will give up too many chances with him there.
He did that part of the game better when he had a long spell in that position last season. Maybe needs a game or 2 to drop the nonchalance in those situations.
Brilliant as a deep playmaker though. And closes the spaces and passing lanes really well too.
 
and still he gets pelters,what the fuck is up with bluemoon,he was excellent today,but people pick out things,looking for him to fuck up,they all made mistakes today, gindo was motm

I thought he played well but you must be able to see that we are far more susceptible to the counter than we have been for a long time? It’s not all his fault, I think this season we have been far more sloppy giving the ball away in the final 3rd, which leaves us wide open to countered on, especially given Gundogan doesn’t have the same defensive qualities as Fern in that position.
 
He did, but it's the ones he misses. It's not a part of the game where 7/10 is good enough because the 3 he doesn't do could easily end up in us conceding.
Fair point but our defence has looked equally as exposed with Rodri in that position. We may just need to accept that there probably isn't anyone in world football as good at that role as Fernandinho besides Kanté.
 
Fair point but our defence has looked equally as exposed with Rodri in that position. We may just need to accept that there probably isn't anyone in world football as good at that role as Fernandinho besides Kanté.

I agree but that worries me. Surely when you have the best CDM in world football for your style of play, you try to replicate his attributes when looking to replace him? Rodri has started well but he is a completely different player to Fern.
 
Fair point but our defence has looked equally as exposed with Rodri in that position. We may just need to accept that there probably isn't anyone in world football as good at that role as Fernandinho besides Kanté.
Our defence looked exposed primarely because they exposed themselves by individual mistakes and wayward passes.
Rodri has been nothing short of brilliant.
People are just looking for a reason why we looked a vunerable and have a tendency to start looking at what's new or has changed.
Doesn't make it true.
 
Still moaning? Wow. "He did well, BUT...".

He isn't supposed to be the best DM or CM in the world, is he? He is supposed to do a job there. Which he is doing quite well.
 
I agree but that worries me. Surely when you have the best CDM in world football for your style of play, you try to replicate his attributes when looking to replace him? Rodri has started well but he is a completely different player to Fern.
I think he'll be fine, every player has needed time to adjust under Pep. Once Laporte is back and we have a settled defence that should help too.
 
Some have pinned their colours to the mast sadly.
I honestly don't see a problem if people want to analyze a players game. I don't think we should be so upset about that, it seems like what a forum should be about.

BUT... we need to be consistent and have the same standards, perhaps Gundogan wasn't perfect in his interceptions (I think he still did well), but everything else he did was really good, and I would say Rodri also hasn't been as good as Dinho at interceptions (almost nobody is) so the standard is probably unfair to begin with. He has other qualities that are better.
 
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I honestly don't see a problem if people want to analyze a players game. I don't think we should be so upset about that, it seems like what a forum should be about.

BUT... we need to be consistent and have the same standards, perhaps Gundogan wasn't perfect in his interceptions (I think he still did well), but everything else he did was really good, and I would say Rodri also hasn't been as good as Dinho at interceptions (almost nobody is) so the standard is probably unfair to begin with. He has other qualities that are better.
Fair enough. But like you said, the standard adjusts with the player.
 
Man of the matxch Performance, still folks have a 'but'. Had Dihno had the game Gundo had today, it would have been testament to his DM supremacy.

But with Gundogan, it's just a "he did ok today, but" performance.

Oh well :)

He got robbed of that MotM award and completely agree. I've had my fair share of go's at him but he's done nothing but impressed lately (particularly since Rodri dropped to CB). He's seems willing to do the dirty work that's invaluable for us in the position more so now and that yellow he got on the tactical foul was very Fern like. He's fighting to create chances from the position too instead of just passing side to side and I think that's a huge boost for us.

Very happy with Gundogan at the moment :-)
 
Great finish, AND HE DID A SLIDE TACKLE, fuck me...

Still too many touches at times and randomly stopped in the 1st half and let Villa play past him to counter-attack, and 2 or 3 near hospital passes near the end.

If he did the good bits a lot more consistently and did the bad bits a lot less he'd be immense, instead he's had a fairly decent game, I will say better than Dave but not enough to make me fundamentally change my view.
 
So I have been far from a Gundo fan boy in the past but fair play, he is showing what a good player he is in that No 6 position. I thought he ran the show today and was Motm. Good goal with flawless technique and didn't shirk the defensive stuff either.
 
Brilliant performance. He's a brilliant player in that position, hopefully continues to play there and not further forward.
 
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