Illegal PL streaming - 11 years in prison for "gang" leader.

It's always the money that drives the action to stop it. Fear of losing money, fear of someone else getting money they might have had instead. I know a few years back a torrent site was taken down, some of the staff raided at home and arrested in front of their young families. The reason the raid happened was because they were suspected of making money from donations to keep the serves going (I think the site owner lent another staffer a small amount from the funds or something) not because of the content the servers hosted or the sharing it enabled, but because of the money and therefore the tax implications. This is known because only the staff with access to the account were raided, and although they knew who the others were and that they had higher levels of data sharing and uploading rips to the site, they had zero interest.

Clearly these guys in this case, or the ones I have read about, were wrong uns. Made money, spent it on themselves and were in to far more than just helping people to watch backed out games. But it should highlight a bigger issue, that we in the UK are being ripped off for a product on our doorstep. It is something now available only to the financially well off. You can't buy access to specific games or teams, you have to have the lot and often on 12 or 18 month contracts, unless you want to pay even more. Scared that scrapping the 3pm kick off will damage the lower leagues? Ok, insist the broadcasters pay an agreed amount for access as to make it worthwhile.

What I want is choice. I'd only really ever watch city games anyway, but if I could pay a few would per game for just the video and audio of the game live, no commentary, no overpaid pundits, no daft deals where you have to buy access to all the games or none...I barely have a spare hour, and in this modern society games on demand should be a big market, just not priced stupid like £20 pay per view things like the boxing,

If all games were televised i'd happily buy a team season ticket to have all our games, live or recorded. That's just say 38 league games I'd have access to instead of the supposed 1000 per season sky offer. But would we get a price reflective of that? Would we f....

I was hopeful Amazon would change things when they came on the fence, but alas not. Maybe the BT and TNT thing will shake things up?

That's what creates the temptation, and the desire to profit from it by those who see an opportunity. As much as they are doing wrong, so yo every inch are the premier league and current UK broadcasters by keeping the games exclusive, therefore keeping prices high.

Now TV do a mobile sports pass offer occasionally for 6-9 months thrown in for free when you buy a £11 sky sports day pass. Ok so you can only view on your mobile the quality is choppy and it's being the action by 2 mins, but it shows it is possible to offer that kind of service at a reasonable price level, but for the UK they largely choose not to in order to keep it exclusive and keep their own margins up.
 
blueparrot said:
Not sure about illegal streaming, but when it comes to fake goods there is no assumption, it’s well known it’s linked to all sorts of trafficking of drugs, people, arms.as well as child labour. Most of which goes unpunished. So when you buy your fakes, be aware of what you may be supporting.
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It is an assumption unless you can claim with 100% accuracy that any counterfeit goods are linked to serious organized crime. I don't buy fake goods because I've got no desire to show off money I don't have, but I used to live in Saigon where it was genuinely difficult to find clothes in the market that didn't have some sort of designer logo on them. They were prevalent, not because everyone involved in clothes manufacturing in Vietnam is part of some huge mafia conspiracy (well, it could be argued that the whole country is, to be fair), but because cheap local clothes manufacturers realised they could sell a few more if they put a cheap Gucci print on the front. And yeah, they're probably not made in the best environment, but that would almost certainly still be the case if the same clothes were made without fake designer labels on them.

Now obviously you could argue that anyone getting them to and selling them in developed countries is by definition involved in organized crime, but is that really the case? I remember watching that Aussie customs TV show a while back and they pull over some middle-aged Chinese lady with a suitcase full of "Hugo Boss" shows. Maybe she was also carrying 20kg of cocaine, but I reckon the chances are she runs a little market stall or shop in Chinatown and flies to Asian countries regularly to buy stuff wholesale where intellectual property isn't really enforced. Let's take a typical example from this website. Is everyone who gets their City shirt shipped direct from Asia supporting organized crime by not buying them through official channels? Or are they just buying direct from a factory in a country where the rules are lax?
 
bluetonium said:
It's always the money that drives the action to stop it. Fear of losing money, fear of someone else getting money they might have had instead. I know a few years back a torrent site was taken down, some of the staff raided at home and arrested in front of their young families. The reason the raid happened was because they were suspected of making money from donations to keep the serves going (I think the site owner lent another staffer a small amount from the funds or something) not because of the content the servers hosted or the sharing it enabled, but because of the money and therefore the tax implications. This is known because only the staff with access to the account were raided, and although they knew who the others were and that they had higher levels of data sharing and uploading rips to the site, they had zero interest.

Clearly these guys in this case, or the ones I have read about, were wrong uns. Made money, spent it on themselves and were in to far more than just helping people to watch backed out games. But it should highlight a bigger issue, that we in the UK are being ripped off for a product on our doorstep. It is something now available only to the financially well off. You can't buy access to specific games or teams, you have to have the lot and often on 12 or 18 month contracts, unless you want to pay even more. Scared that scrapping the 3pm kick off will damage the lower leagues? Ok, insist the broadcasters pay an agreed amount for access as to make it worthwhile.

What I want is choice. I'd only really ever watch city games anyway, but if I could pay a few would per game for just the video and audio of the game live, no commentary, no overpaid pundits, no daft deals where you have to buy access to all the games or none...I barely have a spare hour, and in this modern society games on demand should be a big market, just not priced stupid like £20 pay per view things like the boxing,

If all games were televised i'd happily buy a team season ticket to have all our games, live or recorded. That's just say 38 league games I'd have access to instead of the supposed 1000 per season sky offer. But would we get a price reflective of that? Would we f....

I was hopeful Amazon would change things when they came on the fence, but alas not. Maybe the BT and TNT thing will shake things up?

That's what creates the temptation, and the desire to profit from it by those who see an opportunity. As much as they are doing wrong, so yo every inch are the premier league and current UK broadcasters by keeping the games exclusive, therefore keeping prices high.

Now TV do a mobile sports pass offer occasionally for 6-9 months thrown in for free when you buy a £11 sky sports day pass. Ok so you can only view on your mobile the quality is choppy and it's being the action by 2 mins, but it shows it is possible to offer that kind of service at a reasonable price level, but for the UK they largely choose not to in order to keep it exclusive and keep their own margins up.
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This. The golden age of internet piracy was the early 2000s, and why? Because you couldn't get a lot of stuff anywhere else. Who pirates music nowadays when you can get everything on Spotify? Who's torrenting movies now when every movie is available online? I hadn't streamed football for months until the other day I switched on my officially licenced and fully paid for streaming service and found they didn't have the second leg against Real because of some technical fault on my account. People stream football illegally because you don't make it available. As long as that's the case, it's always going to be a thing and they'll never stop it no matter how many times they try to guilt people into not watching.
 
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