I'm Neutral.... But I hate City

[Balti]

I'm sick of seeing "neutral fans" giving us an unbias opinion on our games, usually it ends up telling us how shitty we are and that we are a bunch on medeocre merc's who are only interested in the $$$...

These neutral fans often turn out to be spuds (who I'm really starting to dispise), blue dippers, red dippers or gooners.

I've came to the conclusion that we are well and truely enemy no.1 in football - no one has a good word to say about us, especially these neutrals. Just gotta get on with it I suppose but it gets my goat the grief we get and the passion they have for wanting us to fail.

I hate all those rag scouse cockney neutrals too

 

[Bellamy's Caddy]

I can't comment on the way Spurs is run as a club, I'm not a fan and therefore don't know. If that is the case all credit to them. What I do know is that you've spent a fortune under Redknapp and have always been big spenders in the Premier League, so when you hear ''neutrals'' wishing City to fail because of our money, then stating their approval for Spurs as if they are some sort of organic alternative it really is quite bizarre. Saying that the whole concept of a ''neutral'' fan is in itself a conundrum.

While we've spent a lot under Redknapp, we've also recouped a lot with sales - but nobody ever quotes the net expenditure.

There is an point in the 'organic' argument. Spurs have always been in the top 20 Deloitte's 'richest' clubs (by turnover) without ever being in the Chumps League and without a rich patriarch, so the argument holds water. It is a well-run club with turnover generated from football and associated income topped up with the occasional rights issue.

You could have been in just the same position as us without a wealthy backer if your club hadn't been so badly managed through the years. Losing fair weather fans when you plummet through the divisions doesn't help either. We both have an army of fans at home and abroad who buy a shit load of merchandise and are traditional 'big clubs'. We're really not that different.

As for wanting City to fail, only in that I want every club to be below us after 38 games are played. I want ManUre, Chelski and - especially - the Goons to fail. And Wet Spam being relegated would be a laugh too.

Good post mate and nice to have posters from other clubs who want to exchange points and have a discussion without petty arguments, it doesn't happen as much as it should! I agree that we're very similar clubs and I've always liked Spurs. Like I said before the neutral fan is a weird concept. You listed the rags, chelsea and arsenal as wanting to fail, I've got a few like that as well I think every fan has, how anyone can be neutral is beyond me!

 

[Blu KB]

3 of my flatmates are like that, 'we love football but dont support a team and hate city'


It's hard work and often unbareable

 

[Royaloak]

Did anyone hear the caller on 909 after the game on Monday?

'Going to Steve in Sale, hiya Steve'
'City were shocking, I'd be embarressed if I was a city fan. They don't deserve champions league because they'd be an embarressment to England. I'm a United fan but they were bad'.

Lovejoy and his rag sidekick let him continue like that for a good few minutes even though it was just factless slagging us off.

I heard it. The previous 10 mins before this prick came on was also a diatribe of anti City shite. I said 'rag' the moment the wanker came on, or more accurately 'this twat's a Munich'.

It just proved to me that money brings jelousy and that I'd like to see a flame thrower turned on the concourse at old Trafford on match days.

 

[bridgeblue]

Did anyone hear the caller on 909 after the game on Monday?

'Going to Steve in Sale, hiya Steve'
'City were shocking, I'd be embarressed if I was a city fan. They don't deserve champions league because they'd be an embarressment to England. I'm a United fan but they were bad'.

Lovejoy and his rag sidekick let him continue like that for a good few minutes even though it was just factless slagging us off.

Yea he was one sad prick!

 

[levets]

Did anyone hear the caller on 909 after the game on Monday?

'Going to Steve in Sale, hiya Steve'
'City were shocking, I'd be embarressed if I was a city fan. They don't deserve champions league because they'd be an embarressment to England. I'm a United fan but they were bad'.

Lovejoy and his rag sidekick let him continue like that for a good few minutes even though it was just factless slagging us off.

I heard it. The previous 10 mins before this prick came on was also a diatribe of anti City shite. I said 'rag' the moment the wanker came on, or more accurately 'this twat's a Munich'.

It just proved to me that money brings jelousy and that I'd like to see a flame thrower turned on the concourse at old Trafford on match days.

Yeah I knew he was as soon as he spoke... "4th place should go to footballing teams who would be a credit to England, such as Liverpool or Spurs; city were garbage in the first half and would be an embarrassment to England. Me, I'm a united fan, I don't have anything against City etc, etc"

I remember that against Hull they were 0-0 until 78th? minute and playing shit.. then rooney got 4 late goals...

what kind of fan would watch his bitter rivals win 3-0, then phone a national radio phone in to comment in such a fashion.... complete dicks!

 

[BluePeter47]

Has anyone noticed the bad press city have been getting from the daily m****r, espically from david mcdonnell & david anderson, i'm beginning to think they might a.f's long lost relatives. and then we have to put up with michael calvin(sunday m****r) sitting on his moral high ground and spitting venom at our club.Well i have bought my last copy of both, maybe all you city fans should do the same.

 

[bluesimon]

3 of my flatmates are like that, 'we love football but dont support a team and hate city'


It's hard work and often unbareable

go buy some bollocks! 'Unbareable'??!! The best part of becoming successful is that you automatically get everyone else trying to take you down a peg. The better city do, is means that everyone else is going to be jealous or want to slag us off. The very fact that we will finish somewhere in the top 6 means that the 4/5 clubs below us and the ones above us - along with all their fans - will want to give us shit. FUK 'EM!
Let anyone come on our forum and if they want to give a constructive argument - fine. If they want to give us grief - fine. Let em all in - and we will carry on getting better and better and pissing everyone off.

 

[bluebean]

we're arriving! end of!!

 

[Shafter]

I don't hate you ;-)

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Did anyone hear the caller on 909 after the game on Monday?

'Going to Steve in Sale, hiya Steve'
'City were shocking, I'd be embarressed if I was a city fan. They don't deserve champions league because they'd be an embarressment to England. I'm a United fan but they were bad'.

Lovejoy and his rag sidekick let him continue like that for a good few minutes even though it was just factless slagging us off.

As soon as he said . . . . . I turned on to TalkShite which I had just turned to 909. The bloody airwaves are full of cretins. Blues excepted!

 

[Scrabster Six]

I would say dont let the twats wind you up whether its Collymore,Durham,Merson,Gray etc they're all after making provocative comments followed by reactionaries calling in to keep their ratings up. the average "clarkie" on here has more sense than these knobs.Their frustration is their little old teams like Chelski, Paris St Arsenal and Trafford Rangers are not having it their own way anymore.

 

[sam221985]

It's just jealousy, pure and simple, no matter how they try to dress it up, there is no deeper issue than that.

However not all of them are such muppets.

 

[tevezblue]

I'm sick of seeing "neutral fans" giving us an unbias opinion on our games, usually it ends up telling us how shitty we are and that we are a bunch on medeocre merc's who are only interested in the $$$...

These neutral fans often turn out to be spuds (who I'm really starting to dispise), blue dippers, red dippers or gooners.

I've came to the conclusion that we are well and truely enemy no.1 in football - no one has a good word to say about us, especially these neutrals. Just gotta get on with it I suppose but it gets my goat the grief we get and the passion they have for wanting us to fail.

Money is ruining the game. No question about it. I've watched Real Madrid and Liverpool (simple examples), waste hundreds of millions on talentless players. There is nothing more depressing than seeing your team play such poor football when you know you have forked out such ridiculous amounts of money to bring the players in and know what wages they are on. Has to be the most depressing thing in football.

However, if, like Chelsea did, we can manage the whole money situation, spend it well and can create something similar to what JM and Chelsea did - then i see no problem with it.

Having this amount of money can be a curse - we have to be very careful who we buy and what wages are given.

JM last night said he wants to come back to Eng football. Lets get him in. Let him do here what he did for Chelsea.

 

[Petetheblu]

I FUCKIN LOVE IT....

Much rather be sudo-hated by dopey ignorant slaves to the bile spewing media than be laughed at everyday for my support towards my beloved.

Don't be annoyed with them or even angry with them, as they don't see both sides of the story....What do you expect from someone who reads bullshit in the paper and believes it, think about it.

Let them get on with it lads and lasses I say, who gives a shit!!

 

[mcfc_die_hard]

they think we are ruining football the matter of fact is we are making football

 

[tevezblue]

they think we are ruining football the matter of fact is we are making football

Can you please go into more detail about your statement above?

 

[bluetonium]

For me, nobody can call us glory hunters or mercs with a straight face without showing a complete 'open mouth before engaging brain' mentality, akin to picking a team purely because you like yellow or hate blue. That kind of attitude is evident in football, but such whimsical beliefs should only be ever regarded as such, and their authors can therefore never expect to be taken seriously.

Most of us who were old enough have been through the mill with City. I've seen Macc beat us in the league, actually seen more relegations than promotions. I've sworn I'd never go again and then felt guilty and been there the very next game, watching the same dull uninspired mess.

When the takeover happened, and before that the Thai takeover, I was whole-heartedly worried that my club would lose it's identity. Even now, as we look like being closer to success than ever before, there is a morbid part of me that thinks 'this isn't like the old days' and I know other City fans feel it a bit too, that we're no longer always the plucky underdog club that just has a laugh regardless. It used to be that we'd have a laugh anway, first to laugh at ourselves. I do have a problem with the money we spend on one level, especially when I'm struggling to get any kind of savings together myself in this economic climate, yet on another level football is uncontrollable at present and it's almost as if the industry is on another planet. It's no one clubs fault that wages are so high, transfers are so expensive. We are exploiting the system, sure, but at least we are not taking undue risks like some clubs have done.

If anything, the money pumped into football by our club is benefiting many other clubs financially rather than harming them. And it's not as if we just buy whoever we please - fans may think that (ours as well as other clubs) but for a player to come here and succeed he has got to show to the club and fans that he has a real desire to win, not just an desire to get rich. If we do sign a load of mercs on a high wage, we will fail in our ambitions, at which time we can all agree we signed a load of crap with just money on their agendas. But is that going to happen? I don;t believe so. Sure, a few turkeys and those who won't take to the club or our style of play, but we have to get predominantly the correct players to achieve anything.

The reality is that, no matter how much we romanticise them, the old days were often dire on the pitch, great off them. So basically, now that we are a real threat on the pitch, heading towards the top, we are there to be shot at. Fair play, but these lippy don't underestimate the strength of the fans feeling for this club - they were not bought and are not temporary.

We, as fans, can do very little about ownership of our club - it was a huge surprise but in reality our owners have been very much more decent that the majority of owners in football. And not just foreign owners before that little gem is thrown at us - Risdale comes to mind instantly.

Whatever happens with the ownership side, I've always been there and I always will be. The vast majority will be too. I love the club, not just for the football but also for the feeling I get on match day, the knowledge that it's a journey we've all been through together, that noting is ever certain with City even with the richest owners in the world. At least we are having a go at it. We are not the first to spend to bring success, nor will we be the last. We don't set mid-table as our goal any more, which is a breath of fresh air that I wish other clubs could aspire to instead of feel threatened by. We all want to see attacking, adventurous football played by guys who want to win regardless of the opposition. I think partly that the mindset of some clubs and fans does not always allow that in the modern game.

We are in a position others would like to be in, I get it and I'm prepared to take a bit of stick, as long as it's fair. Yet there is no guarantee even that we'll succeed. Burnley beat Man United earlier this season, we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, so why not try something different, aim a bit higher? Football's funny like that, always will be regardless of money. All anyone can do is try and relax and enjoy it as best you can.

Be jealous, say you hate us, call us names, write nasty little pieces about us. I probably would too if it had been Villa or Sunderland or whoever that had been invested in, threatening to upset the order of the league, while my own club languished in mid-table. But know that it will never stick with us fans, never mean a thing really, and says a lot more about you than us. We have seen and experienced far too much to let it do so, and we encourage a support that is definitely not short term or fickle, and such views ultimately just shows a lack of understanding of us and our club by others. Our club, what it means to us, can never be taken away by name-calling, media articles or foreign ownership. Maybe fans of other clubs fear that their identity is not as strong.

Apologies for the long post, but as I hope you can see I'm pretty passionate about my club. I will take my medication now :P

 

[havelocke]

For me, nobody can call us glory hunters or mercs with a straight face without showing a complete 'open mouth before engaging brain' mentality, akin to picking a team purely because you like yellow or hate blue. That kind of attitude is evident in football, but such whimsical beliefs should only be ever regarded as such, and their authors can therefore never expect to be taken seriously.

Most of us who were old enough have been through the mill with City. I've seen Macc beat us in the league, actually seen more relegations than promotions. I've sworn I'd never go again and then felt guilty and been there the very next game, watching the same dull uninspired mess.

Whne the takeover happened, and before that the Thai takeover, I was whole-heartedly worried that my club would lose it's identity. Even now, as we look like being closer to success than ever before, these is a morbid part of me that thinks 'this isn't like the old days' and I know other City fans feel it a bit too, that we're no longer always the plucky underdog club that just has a laugh regardless. It used to be that we'd have a laugh anway, first to laugh at ourselves. I do have a problem with the money we spend on one level, especially when I'm struggling to get any kind of savings together myself in this economic climate, yet on another level football is uncontrollable at present and it's almost as if the industry is on another planet. It's no one clubs fault that wages are so high, transfers are so expensive. We are exploiting the system, sure, but at least we are not taking undue risks like some clubs have done.

If anything, the money pumped into football by our club is benefiting many other clubs financially rather than harming them. And it's not as if we just buy whoever we please - fans may think that (ours as well as other clubs) but for a player to come here and succeed he has got to show to the club and fans that he has a real desire to win, not just an desire to get rich. If we do sign a load of mercs on a high wage, we will fail in our ambitions, at which time we can all agree we signed a load of crap with just money on their agendas. But is that going to happen? I don;t believe so. Sure, a few turkeys and those who won't take to the club or our style of play, but we have to get predominantly the correct players to achieve anything.

The reality is that, no matter how much we romanticise them, the old days were often dire on the pitch, great off them. So basically, now that we are a real threat on the pitch, heading towards the top, we are there to be shot at. Fair play, but these lippy don't underestimate the strength of the fans feeling for this club - they were not bought and are not temporary.

We, as fans, can do very little about ownership of our club - it was a huge surprise but in reality our owners have been very much more decent that the majority of owners in football. And not just foreign owners before that little gem is thrown at us - Risdale comes to mind instantly.

Whatever happens with the ownership side, I've always been there and I always will be. The vast majority will be too. I love the club, not just for the football but also for the feeling I get on match day, the knowledge that it's a journey we've all been through together, that noting is ever certain with City even with the richest owners in the world. At least we are having a go at it. We are not the first to spend to bring success, nor will we be the last. We don't set mid-table as our goal any more, which is a breath of fresh air that I wish other clubs could aspire to instead of feel threatened by. We all want to see attacking, adventurous football played by guys who want to win regardless of the opposition. I think partly that the mindset of some clubs and fans does not always allow that in the modern game.

We are in a position others would like to be in, I get it and I'm prepared to take a bit of stick, as long as it's fair. Yet there is no guarantee even that we'll succeed. Burnley beat Man United earlier this season, we beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, so why not try something different, aim a bit higher? Football's funny like that, always will be regardless of money. All anyone can do is try and relax and enjoy it as best you can.

Be jealous, say you hate us, call us names, write nasty little pieces about us. I probably would too if it had been Villa or Sunderland or whoever that had been invested in, threatening to upset the order of the league, while my own club languished in mid-table. But know that it will never stick with us fans, never mean a thing really, and says a lot more about you than us. We have seen and experienced far too much to let it do so, and we encourage a support that is definitely not short term or fickle, and such views ultimately just shows a lack of understanding of us and our club by others. Our club, what it means to us, can never be taken away by name-calling, media articles or foreign ownership. Maybe fans of other clubs fear that their identity is not as strong.

Apologies for the long post, but as I hope you can see I'm pretty passionate about my club. I will take my medication now :P

Brilliant post Bluetonium...
I think you summed it up fantastically.

I think that I too have seen more relegations than promotions....

Oh well, nice to be a 'glory-hunter' eh?

:-)

 

[tevezblue]

In the long run, the only winners will be the players.