Incident at Liverpool Title Parade May 26th

[mackenzie]

Nailed. If people realised it’s only kids joining the police now because pay and conditions have been so badly eroded they’d be horrified.

As with all public services, we will all pay the cost.

I'm not sure on either of these posts to be honest.
Lack of public service funding doesn't necessarily result in people taking drugs and feeling super entitled in their car. Nor does it excuse people taking part in dickish mob behaviour.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

The vehicle will be insured so watch a claim from 350 people go in.

350 ! 1350 is nearer.

If, as has been suggested, the person was driving under the influence of drugs the insurance will likely have exclusions to prevent their liability
That leaves:
Trying to get money from the individual themselves (doubtful)
The Criminal Injuries Compensation scheme
I'm sure we have some lawyers on here who can correct me.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Tragic and disgusting events. Suddenly so many people had mates at the parade and were experts. Shockingly a fair few forwarded videos by WhatsApp and that's how I found out. I did my uttermost to avoid anything Liverpool trophy parade-related.

Was annoyed enough seeing so many leave Manchester Piccalilli area for their day out. But, that's an annoyance for another place or day.

Of course, I'm on the side of humanity against the detestable and sickening idiot who committed an offence so vile and disgusting against innocent people.

My only wish is that those affected get the full support of the authorities and love they need from community. That and the guilty has the book thrown at him and is made to suffer through the necessary and strong end of the law. The culprit deserves nothing and little attention from the public. Give those hurt the attention they need and support. Forget the lowlife.

 

[bert38]

I'm not sure on either of these posts to be honest.
Lack of public service funding doesn't necessarily result in people taking drugs and feeling super entitled in their car. Nor does it excuse people taking part in dickish mob behaviour.

Of course not-I was just thinking ahead..

 

[richardtheref]

Will motor insurance be valid if he was driving under the influence of drugs?

Having worked in insurance claims, the insurance company are liable for the injuries and damage to third parties property. However, they will not pay anything towards his damages.
The insurance company can then attempt to claim any monies paid from the individual concerned.

 

[mackenzie]

Of course not-I was just thinking ahead..

And I appreciate that.
It's just that I wholeheartedly recognise how public service funding cuts have effected our society for the worse. I've spent 44 years now on an admittedly different kind of "front line" and yet I still see, like yourself, the abject nature of real help for many.
Yet there needs to be a recognition of personal responsibility and a collective and grown up discussion around that.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I wonder if the council took short cuts to save on costs ? It is a very long route. To put in place what you say should be there, means the costs are prohibitive.

To be honest, the football club should be paying any and all extra costs for a parade like this (as should any team doing anything similar), every year. Councils don’t have enough money to pay for aunty Mabel to have her arse wiped and the police are currently being told to ‘find savings’.

 

[Blue Abroad]

The lack of investment in the public sector is ultimately significantly to blame for this. And we far are poorer as a society for it.

Nailed. If people realised it’s only kids joining the police now because pay and conditions have been so badly eroded they’d be horrified.

As with all public services, we will all pay the cost.

I'm not sure on either of these posts to be honest.
Lack of public service funding doesn't necessarily result in people taking drugs and feeling super entitled in their car. Nor does it excuse people taking part in dickish mob behaviour.

Properly funded, resourced public services certainly will not prevent all occurrences of these sort of horrific events.

But, nearly all reputable research supports that it would very likely significantly reduce their frequency and severity.

Just as areas with higher median household incomes tend to have substantially lower rates of violent crime (per capita) compared to areas with lower median household incomes. And they tend see lower rates of destructive substance abuse, among other reductions of undesirable situations and outcomes.

Relative public and private wealth play a huge part in the likelihood of violent events like this.

People obviously still have agency: wealthy people still regularly do horrible things and most poor people live upstanding lives. But study after study, across decades, have shown one of the most reliable predictors of the rate of violent crimes and destructive substance abuse is relative wealth of the area, which in turn feeds in to quality of public services.

Now, there is a very strong argument that the wealthy themselves cause a large portion of the poverty that leads to high violent crime and destructive substance abuse rates. But I reckon that is a discussion for another thread.

In short, you are all right, in your own way!

 

[Giovinco]

Nailed. If people realised it’s only kids joining the police now because pay and conditions have been so badly eroded they’d be horrified.

As with all public services, we will all pay the cost.

It’s also the politicization of the police force and civil service which means they virtually have no powers.

 

[bert38]

It’s also the politicization of the police force and civil service which means they virtually have no powers.

Police have plenty of powers.

 

[bert38]

And I appreciate that.
It's just that I wholeheartedly recognise how public service funding cuts have effected our society for the worse. I've spent 44 years now on an admittedly different kind of "front line" and yet I still see, like yourself, the abject nature of real help for many.
Yet there needs to be a recognition of personal responsibility and a collective and grown up discussion around that.

Indeed-it’s very complex but at the heart of it cuts to public services during the 2010s crippled the police-whilst it has v little to do with yesterday it doesn’t augur well for the future.

 

[Blue Mist]

The lack of investment in the public sector is ultimately significantly to blame for this. And we far are poorer as a society for it.

That is not a defence you would put forward in court if someone was charged with corporate manslaughter.
The sensible thing would be to have a shorter route that can be controlled better.
That said, the dippers would make a right song and dance if they weren't allowed the biggest bestest parade ever.

 

[Blue Mist]

To be honest, the football club should be paying any and all extra costs for a parade like this (as should any team doing anything similar), every year. Councils don’t have enough money to pay for aunty Mabel to have her arse wiped and the police are currently being told to ‘find savings’.

I don't think that's correct. Back in the Maine Road days City paid for police inside the ground, those outside on traffic duty etc were paid by the council/cops.
I agree with you, a football club should pay everything involved in a parade.
(Perhaps that's why the rags were only having a bbq)

 

[shackattack]

I wonder if the council took short cuts to save on costs ? It is a very long route. To put in place what you say should be there, means the costs are prohibitive.

The parade route starts at Queens Drive and skirts round the city until it reaches the seafront and city centre. Dale Street and Water Street would be some of the most populated areas. The city centre I would imagine would have been heavily policed but I guess they can't cover every area. Something doesn't sit right but that's only my opinion.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Don’t think I’ll believe anything printed in the media or from Murkeyside police as both are organisations not to be trusted.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

That is not a defence you would put forward in court if someone was charged with corporate manslaughter.

I never said it would be.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm not sure on either of these posts to be honest.
Lack of public service funding doesn't necessarily result in people taking drugs and feeling super entitled in their car. Nor does it excuse people taking part in dickish mob behaviour.

It manifestly results in less resources to prevent and counter those things.

 

[mackenzie]

It manifestly results in less resources to prevent and counter those things.

It certainly does. However, it doesn't necessarily equate that everyone can use it as an excuse.

 

[IrishBlueSince92]

Driver on drugs.
Probably same with some of the aggressive mob
Meanwhile the shit who caused the death of the 3 year old girl in Manchester was found to have done 20 lines of shit.

What a country.

The ruination of the country (here as well)
Drugs

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

it doesn't necessarily equate that everyone can use it as an excuse.

Completely agree. It absolutely doesn’t.