Inflation - when is this going to end?

Btw, this is not a uniquely British, or even European issue, but is even occurring in “the colonies!”

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From this article on Bloomberg

A ‘Tsunami of Shutoffs’: 20 Million US Homes Are Behind on Energy Bills

● Surging electricity prices spur worst-ever crisis in late utility payments.

By Will Wade and Mark Chediak
 
Boris Johnson says Britons must accept higher gas bills.
A sign there will not be much extra support given perhaps

Ukraine war: Boris Johnson says Britons must accept higher gas bills as 'Ukrainians are paying in blood'​

 
And I answered them BOTH, but you said I didn’t even answer the question, ffs!

This all started with you being a dick about me answering a question about inflation, which you derided as a “textbook” answer that didn’t apply, then regaled me with the millions of people who have £0!

I forgave you the ridiculous hyperbole in the hope of a civil discussion that appears incapable of occurring, so I’ll leave you to your “drivel” that ignores the reality and wants to stop the world while we all figure out how to get free, or unpaid (or who knows what kind of) energy to the 30% of households with £0, which will magically fix textbook inflation.

Carry on…

It was answer straight out of a textbook without any second thought put into it. Don't blame me for your shit posts. I see you started name calling like a child, well done on that.
 
It was answer straight out of a textbook without any second thought put into it. Don't blame me for your shit posts. I see you started name calling like a child, well done on that.
I gave a straight answer to a straight question, nothing more. You jumped in to complain, but gave no “better” answer.

Btw, the meaning of “textbook answer” should have been enough…

What is a text book answer?

1 n-count A textbook is a book containing facts about a particular subject that is used by people studying that subject. ... a chemistry textbook.

2 adj If you say that something is a textbook case or example, you are emphasizing that it provides a clear example of a type of situation or event.

Hoisted by your own petard!

You’re welcome.
 
I gave a straight answer to a straight question, nothing more. You jumped in to complain, but gave no “better” answer.

Btw, the meaning of “textbook answer” should have been enough…

What is a text book answer?

1 n-count A textbook is a book containing facts about a particular subject that is used by people studying that subject. ... a chemistry textbook.

2 adj If you say that something is a textbook case or example, you are emphasising that it provides a clear example of a type of situation or event.

Hoisted by your own petard!

You’re welcome.
You're welcome ;-)
 
If you don't live in the UK, it's probably quite difficult to understand what a problem has become - and it's not anywhere near it's peak yet. I'll not go into the causes, but it's clearly a combination of Brexit, supply issues after Covid and the Ukraine war. I'm not having a go at any ex-pats at all, but I do think that unless you're in the UK you can't imagine what it's like at the minute. Plenty of people are seriously concerned about the coming winter. I'm not talking about old people, I'm talking about ordinary people - families, young people renting, pensioners. We're talking tens of millions of people and it's common to hear people talking about their fears of the winter and what's coming. Money and the wider economy is becoming something that is a major, major talking point in a way that I've not seen before and I'm pushing 50.

I'd say that in the last 18 months, we've noticed our shopping bill go up about 25% a month - easily. It is common now to see prices increasing on every food item every month. It goes up 5p, 10p, 10p again. It doesn't sound a lot but it adds up very quickly. I'm very lucky that I've got a good job and it's more of an annoyance, but there's parents - yes parents, not a parent - in out sons school who literally have set amounts to spend on food. They are struggling now, just with food. I shopped at Morrisons tonight and everything I bought was 10p more expensive than in Tesco - it's becoming noticeable even for people who can afford the prices rises. Morrisons was dead, but you will never find a quiet time in Aldi.

As for energy, I have plenty of friends who's gas/electric bills have gone - just in the last year - from about £180/month to £360 and that's about to go up to £500-600 a month for some. These are the ones who who were simply unlucky enough to fix the prices 18 months ago. They did nothing wrong. Luckily, they can afford it if they cut back in other areas but just think about that, within a year imagine having to find £320-420 a month extra. When you add in the cost of food, it's easy to imagine people having to spend an extra £600 a month. We're talking about people taking on an extra mortgage and there's no end in sight - it's only going up.

Now, for most people in the UK we only get a payrise annually which is tied to inflation normally. If you get 2% or so that keeps you in line with inflation and above that, it's a rise. Culturally you're talking about a few thousand pounds roughly per year as a norm. However, if inflation is going to hit 15-20% we're going to see people asking for £7k payrises JUST to cover the utilities alone. They will still be worse off than they were as food prices, petrol etc are going up. Employers who pay this will have to put up prices, which feeds back into the economy. Bear in mind, our inflation index doesn't include things like rent, house prices and I'm fairly sure gas and electric too. So, when you hear about it hitting 10% it's not. It's more like 30% I'd say for a lot of people and the wages just aren't covering that.

On top of all that, interest rates are going up. That means that mortgages, credit cards, overdrafts, loans etc are going to cost more. And a lot of rents are pegged to interest rates via mortgages too. That is also costing people more money. A LOT of businesses took loans out during the pandemic to cover it and they are now in a position where they are still recovering and now have more to pay back. It's common to hear stories of businesses who's annual gas/electric bill was £20k are now being expected to pay £70k now. There's simply no way they can carry on unless they put prices up. But at the same time, people have less to spend.

And finally, because the price of gas/electricity is going up - and there's nothing individuals can do about this - prices across the board are going up. The guy who runs our local chippy was telling me he's absorbing a lot of the energy bill rises as he knows his customers will just not pay the 'real' figure but he can't carry on for much longer.

The war is not going to end in the foreseeable future and I can imagine Putin will see this as a 'war of economic attrition'.

We're not talking about a situation where we can say "tighten your belt", it's way, way, way beyond that. We're talking about a situation where within 12 months people are having to find several hundreds of pounds per month extra to pay just the basic bills. Have a guess how Christmas is going to look to a lot of people, and how hospitality etc will look in the New Year.

I honestly think that once the new PM comes in, she will be forced to basically cover loans to the energy companies. It's going to dwarf anything that Covid did - this winter is projected to cost us £100bn when the entire Furlough Scheme cost around £40bn. All it takes now is a hard winter and it's absolutely possible to imagine scenes we've not seen in the UK in living memory. This is likely to mean that on top of everything else, taxes will go up.

All that said, this isn't to say that our situation is unique and there are problems in the US and Australia, no question. However, all I'm trying to say is that for tens of millions of people - and you too - this is a truly unique situation for us. It's something we've never experienced.

The truly scary part though, is that the next PM is fucking clueless. Just when we need a leader with brains, vision and leadership we're going to be lumbered with another fucking useless clown.
 
Boris Johnson says Britons must accept higher gas bills.
A sign there will not be much extra support given perhaps

Ukraine war: Boris Johnson says Britons must accept higher gas bills as 'Ukrainians are paying in blood'​


It's easy for him to say, as it is every member of parliament. If they're not millionaires they are earning a basic £80,000+ a year salary and I believe, though I could be wrong on this, up to £200,000+ on expenses. These include help with their fuel bills.

Now I'm sure every single person has every sympathy for the situation in Ukraine, but he is supposed to be the leader of Great Britain and he needs to remember that and sort the mess out here.
 
It's easy for him to say, as it is every member of parliament. If they're not millionaires they are earning a basic £80,000+ a year salary and I believe, though I could be wrong on this, up to £200,000+ on expenses. These include help with their fuel bills.

Now I'm sure every single person has every sympathy for the situation in Ukraine, but he is supposed to be the leader of Great Britain and he needs to remember that and sort the mess out here.
Why would Johnson give a shit? He didn’t before he was voted out by his party, he’ll want it to get worse to show them they were wrong.

He has never given a flying fuck about anybody but himself.
 
I'd say that in the last 18 months, we've noticed our shopping bill go up about 25% a month - easily.

Sounds about right.

If your shopping went up 25% a month each month for 18 months, a £100 shop would now be over £5,500.

That maths and logic is about right for this thread!

Anyway I’m off to sell my kidneys so I can afford to buy a loaf of bread.
 

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