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We could get a new manager but we’d win less games, get less points, play shitter football and bring home fewer trophies.

Hey, but we can say we played a young defender who we have no idea is good enough and who the current manager (one of the best in history) thinks isn’t quite ready yet, just because some idiots tease us about not giving some kids a game.
We def would mate, peps a genius & has taken us to a level i never thought i’d see in my city lifetime,but every match going city fan (& plenty who don’t go) can see otamendi is a fuckin disaster of a defender, & no foden in midfield?? very strange pep? starting to worry :-/
 
Get Laporte onto the field against Palace! Even on one leg he would jump higher, be faster and stay on his feet more than Otamendi.
 
I would play them too, but as I said above I am glad HB or Garcia weren't playing against Wolves. I agree with Pep when he says that the central defensive play was not the problem against Wolves. It was loose possession.

It's best to introduce young players into a smoothly functioning team.

Probably the next chances for the young players are the CL and League Cup ties. Not looking forward to Palace.
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We could get a new manager but we’d win less games, get less points, play shitter football and bring home fewer trophies.

Hey, but we can say we played a young defender who we have no idea is good enough and who the current manager (one of the best in history) thinks isn’t quite ready yet, just because some idiots tease us about not giving some kids a game.

They're not idiots when it's a model every top club has followed and continues to do so. I don't think getting Pep out is a reasonable suggestion at all but it's clear that it's a problem and he's beginning to display the similar stubbornness we attributed with Pellegrini e.g, starting Bony over Iheanacho. When you choose to continually start under-performing experienced players, every fanbase is going to be less patient than they would be if you started your academy graduates.
 
They're not idiots when it's a model every top club has followed and continues to do so. I don't think getting Pep out is a reasonable suggestion at all but it's clear that it's a problem and he's beginning to display the similar stubbornness we attributed with Pellegrini e.g, starting Bony over Iheanacho. When you choose to continually start under-performing experienced players, every fanbase is going to be less patient than they would be if you started your academy graduates.
Not all of us
 
They're not idiots when it's a model every top club has followed and continues to do so. I don't think getting Pep out is a reasonable suggestion at all but it's clear that it's a problem and he's beginning to display the similar stubbornness we attributed with Pellegrini e.g, starting Bony over Iheanacho. When you choose to continually start under-performing experienced players, every fanbase is going to be less patient than they would be if you started your academy graduates.

Hilarious.

From my experience poorly performing academy players get just as much stick as anyone else when not playing well.

You have to remember that Pep sees these players every day. You’re basing your comments on imagination and non strenuous cup performances.

If Pep thinks the young defenders aren’t as good as what’s out there then I’m inclined to believe him as he works with them every day.
 
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Hilarious.

From my experience poorly performing academy players get just as much stick as anyone else when not playing well.

You have to remember that Pep sees these players every day. You’re basing your comments on imagination and non strenuous cup performances.

If Pep thinks the young defenders aren’t as good as what’s out there then I’m inclined to believe him as he works with them every day.

You've also got to consider what would happen to Nico's confidence, dropping a senior and international footballer for an untried academy player will essentially spell the end of his career here.

That is a big decision and not one I think Pep will take.
 
There must be some defenders out there over six foot, with physical presence and pace who can head the ball and play out from the back and are rarely injured. Why do we keep on signing small slight defenders, Cancello being the latest?
 
Hilarious.

From my experience poorly performing academy players get just as much stick as anyone else when not playing well.

You have to remember that Pep sees these players every day. You’re basing your comments on imagination and non strenuous cup performances.

If Pep thinks the young defenders aren’t as good as what’s out there then I’m inclined to believe him as he works with them every day.

It's not a manager issue though, we've seen from our previous managers of the Mansour era a reluctance to blend in youngsters. It took nearly forever for Pellegrini to begin favouring Iheanacho over Bony who honestly was one of the worst footballers I've ever seen play for us. It's a club issue, maybe it's the expectations or the synergy between the EDS and the first team, but we've failed to match the target set out by Khaldoon years ago.

And I'm not basing it on imagination, I'm basing it on watching these players play regularly from their time at the EDS and international level to all appearances in the first team. I'm not one of those fans that believes that our youngsters are the answer to all our problems but when experienced players are performing so badly (Otamendi), it just doesn't make sense to let it go without punishment.
 
You've also got to consider what would happen to Nico's confidence, dropping a senior and international footballer for an untried academy player will essentially spell the end of his career here.

That is a big decision and not one I think Pep will take.

It will most likely spell the end for him but that's not due to the action of dropping him per se, the underlying reason is due to his performance level which is entirely on him. You can't just keep your position in the first team because of the fear of alienating the player that's clearly no longer good enough; it's based on merit, it has to be.
 
It will most likely spell the end for him but that's not due to the action of dropping him per se, the underlying reason is due to his performance level which is entirely on him. You can't just keep your position in the first team because of the fear of alienating the player that's clearly no longer good enough; it's based on merit, it has to be.

I agree with you're principal.

The only reason I didn't raise it myself is because I believe that Nico is good enough.

In one on one situations he needs to be better. With regular playtime 2 seasons ago he had eradicated this from his game. It's come back, and that is down to becoming a bit part player.

At the end of the end of the day, he was left in far to many one v one situations on Sunday and that is primarily what needs addressing.
 
Always thought Fernandinho and Rodri as a midfield pair would be a good option in difficult away fixtures in the CL this season. But given our present situation at the back - and at least until Laporte returns - I’m now beginning to think it will be a good option in every game!
 
I think that as with most quality players, the more they play together the better they become.

Otto and Fern will be fine if they keep playing. Whether our title defence will be over by then is another thing altogether.

We get some many injuries to key players it really is a bizarre thing. Especially when you look at Liverpool and there injuries.

Thing we have to hold onto is if we beat them in both games then it's only 2 points and they will drop other points. The title is still in our hands in that respect but we have to improve immediately.
 
I think that as with most quality players, the more they play together the better they become.

Otto and Fern will be fine if they keep playing. Whether our title defence will be over by then is another thing altogether.

We get some many injuries to key players it really is a bizarre thing. Especially when you look at Liverpool and there injuries.

Thing we have to hold onto is if we beat them in both games then it's only 2 points and they will drop other points. The title is still in our hands in that respect but we have to improve immediately.
Nothing can stop Otamendi squaring himself up and diving in, missing the ball and exposing the keeper to a 1 on 1 time and time again. He’s not going to stop now.
 
The defensive strength of a team is both systemic and down to the characteristics of its individual central defenders. The discussion in these pages seems to be putting all of City's defensive woes on the shoulders of Otamendi. That's wrong.

The most significant aspect of City's defensive strength is not the individual strengths and weaknesses of the central defenders, but the ability of our team to retain possession. It's not only a question of retaining 75% possession (we managed that against Wolves but at the same time we conceded 5 or 6 clear goal-scoring opportunities). I think our midfield play was so poor that we started to take more and more risks and got frustrated with the result that our central defenders were easily caught out by one well placed long ball leaving them in a sprint with Adama Traore.

I doubt whether Kompany, Laporte or any Premier League defender would fare much better in a sprint with Traore. Kompany certainly would not.

I would prefer Harwood-Bellis and Garcia to play together but only if they are part of a usual City midfield which has the balance and flair to completely overwhelm and destroy its opponent. If they are going to be exposed by a one-paced midfield that does not have the collective skill-set to breakdown a 9 man defence then I don't want their confidence being destroyed.

Otamendi is serving as the fall-guy for one of the few occasions where Guardiola got it wrong. I am disappointed Pep didn't actually say that in his post-match press conference.

I think City were badly affected by injuries and European competition. Bernardo Silva had just played in midweek against Dinamo, and he had not played very well. I think Pep decided to take him out of the firing line because of the media scrutiny and the result was we had a very unusual midfield.

Pep should overcome his reluctance to play Foden, and he should have started Bernardo.

The problem disappears if de Bruyne recovers through the international window.
 
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