Inter Milan want to poach Vieira

[117 M34]

The whole point of the EDS is in the name. If it was solely to win games then we would see a set-up like Stuart Pierce over saw.
Player development is very difficult to judge over the short term, much too short to judge PV.

Buzzer, doesn't Elite development go hand in hand with results to show the progress? If it doesn't lead to improvement and thus wins, it's hardly elite development is it?
As I've seen on the OS, coaches (or was it Vieira himself) who said the kids needs to get used to winning as well.

We have bought a lot of young talents from all over the world, paid vast amounts of money for them, and I expect expectations of those kids mirror that investments. When our EDS are beaten by small'ish PL club's academy teams, with probably 1/100 of our academy budget I'm getting worried.

And just as with the senior side, the man responsible for results is the manager.

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

 

[Matt the Giant]

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

I never looked at it that way. Makes sense I guess. But I wonder how that attitude, if at all, would effect the kid's we approach to join our EDS?

 

[hjohn]

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

I'm sorry but I can't agree with this.
With the money being invested in our set up the EDS team should be a formidable opponent , continuously doing well in all competitions.

From the age we are taking these players in from to the time they get to the EDS their talent and skills should have been assessed to the point that they are very good players.
It's output should be at least a first team squad player if not a starter and then there should be couple good enough for the 'lesser' premier league clubs and several for the lower divisions.

 

[MC ID]

The whole point of the EDS is in the name. If it was solely to win games then we would see a set-up like Stuart Pierce over saw.
Player development is very difficult to judge over the short term, much too short to judge PV.

Buzzer, doesn't Elite development go hand in hand with results to show the progress? If it doesn't lead to improvement and thus wins, it's hardly elite development is it?
As I've seen on the OS, coaches (or was it Vieira himself) who said the kids needs to get used to winning as well.

We have bought a lot of young talents from all over the world, paid vast amounts of money for them, and I expect expectations of those kids mirror that investments. When our EDS are beaten by small'ish PL club's academy teams, with probably 1/100 of our academy budget I'm getting worried.

And just as with the senior side, the man responsible for results is the manager.

My personal philosophy is that results are secondary to player progression, at this level it doesn't matter that the better team wins if none of those players end up good enough for the first team, it's about teaching not winning.

Obviously winning is a good indication of performance but player progression is paramount, we can afford to loose every match at this level if it means our kids develop more as players, it's the point of the youth league.

 

[Pete B]

Following Barca's policy of employing from wthin the club Vieira will be our next manager when Pelle's time is up.

 

[thenabster]

Isn't it cool that a manager still has a shoe deal. Vieira wears Adidas cleats because he still has a deal with Adidas, while every other manager in the world wears whatever shoes the team has a sports deal with.

 

[droylsdenblue]

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

I'm sorry but I can't agree with this.
With the money being invested in our set up the EDS team should be a formidable opponent , continuously doing well in all competitions.

From the age we are taking these players in from to the time they get to the EDS their talent and skills should have been assessed to the point that they are very good players.
It's output should be at least a first team squad player if not a starter and then there should be couple good enough for the 'lesser' premier league clubs and several for the lower divisions.

Jim Cassell once told me he wasn't interested in winning the Youth Cup or youth matches for that matter, he said his job was to get players into the first team or have the best player on the pitch in any particular game. It does sound strange that a coach doesn't mind his team losing but I suppose they have a different mindset to us fans.

 

[hjohn]

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

I'm sorry but I can't agree with this.
With the money being invested in our set up the EDS team should be a formidable opponent , continuously doing well in all competitions.

From the age we are taking these players in from to the time they get to the EDS their talent and skills should have been assessed to the point that they are very good players.
It's output should be at least a first team squad player if not a starter and then there should be couple good enough for the 'lesser' premier league clubs and several for the lower divisions.

Jim Cassell once told me he wasn't interested in winning the Youth Cup or youth matches for that matter, he said his job was to get players into the first team or have the best player on the pitch in any particular game. It does sound strange that a coach doesn't mind his team losing but I suppose they have a different mindset to us fans.

But what I don't understand, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that we are going to have a huge training complex with teams from a young age leading through to the EDS.
This leans a number of years to assess development and weed out any that aren't going to make it.
All these teams will play in the Manchester City way which we are taking from the Barcelona model.
If so how can we end up with anything less than a very good young team?

 

[LoveCity]

One of the youth players - I forget who - recently said they'd been told the club wants them to win something, so I think the "results don't matter" mantra isn't as strong as it was. Of course, player development always comes first but winning stuff reflects well on a club and its youth policy. We got loads of attention when we won the FA Youth Cup (even though most of those players turned out to be nothing special). Barcelona win loads of youth trophies and tournaments simply because their kids are so good.

 

[Falastur]

The results of the EDS squad don't really matter. We are not going to get the whole of the EDS squad breaking through to the 1st team.
The purpose of the EDS squad is to get 1 or if we are very lucky 2 to get in the 1st team.

It is much better for city as a club to have a poor EDS team who finish bottom of the league with 1 standout player than having an EDS team that wins the league but none of them will break in to the 1st team

I'm sorry but I can't agree with this.
With the money being invested in our set up the EDS team should be a formidable opponent , continuously doing well in all competitions.

From the age we are taking these players in from to the time they get to the EDS their talent and skills should have been assessed to the point that they are very good players.
It's output should be at least a first team squad player if not a starter and then there should be couple good enough for the 'lesser' premier league clubs and several for the lower divisions.

Jim Cassell once told me he wasn't interested in winning the Youth Cup or youth matches for that matter, he said his job was to get players into the first team or have the best player on the pitch in any particular game. It does sound strange that a coach doesn't mind his team losing but I suppose they have a different mindset to us fans.

I think the concept behind it is that you learn the most from playing hard opponents, so you get the most instruction - even if you're learning it the hard way - from being overpowered every game. Even if you lose every game, if you learn how to hold a player off up 'til the byline, if you learn how to get the ball out of defence when the strikers are pressing hard, if you learn how to create the space because your team-mate on the ball has no options, then actually you come out as a more complete player. I recall someone on this forum said that last season we were playing 16 year olds in the U-18s category and 18 year olds in the U-21s for exactly this reason - they were playing against players two years older than them, but they learned from it.

Course, I couldn't say if it does in fact help or not. I'm just going off what I've heard.