I mean, they did also hit the bar, have a stonewall penalty denied, somehow miss an open net from 5 yards (the one from the flicked on corner that hit Pickfords corpse) and various other pretty presentable chances that just happened to not be on target. We on the other hand pretty much scored with every attempt. (that's not a bad thing, but it's pretty ridiculous to break it down to just the shots on target)

It was undeniably a lucky win, you play that out 10 times and we probably lose 9 of them. But we live in the real world where all that matters is that we got away with it this time and it's a great victory. Hopefully Southgate learns from it and stops retreating like a turtle when we have the lead though as that second half was rough.
Both the chance that hit the bar and the open net chance would have been "undeniably lucky" though by your own logic. I say that because they'd have been bundled in not clear goal scoring opportunities or well worked openings. The chance that hit the bar hit the ground first and bounced high so could have gone anywhere if I remember right(correct me if I'm wrong), the Ansensio chance he'd have known nothing about as it came at him too fast from a parry from the GK. England also defended poorly for the goals they did score, they scored England of old goals headed from long ball crosses did they not? We should be winning those headers against most of their players bar Ramos perhaps.

England didn't put in a masterclass performance by any means, I've even said myself they did very little after they felt they put the game to bed but some are going too far out of their way to discredit the performance completely. We're not going to be beating Spain at their own game but we can beat them another way, we've shown that much tonight. We opened them up for those goals and finished well, there was not much fluky about them.
 
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I mean, they did also hit the bar, have a stonewall penalty denied, somehow miss an open net from 5 yards (the one from the flicked on corner that hit Pickfords corpse) and various other pretty presentable chances that just happened to not be on target. We on the other hand pretty much scored with every attempt. (that's not a bad thing, but it's pretty ridiculous to break it down to just the shots on target)

It was undeniably a lucky win, you play that out 10 times and we probably lose 9 of them. But we live in the real world where all that matters is that we got away with it this time and it's a great victory. Hopefully Southgate learns from it and stops retreating like a turtle when we have the lead though as that second half was rough.

No it isn't.

Possession counts for nothing unless it translates into attempts on target and goals.

There's nothing 'lucky' about being more clinical than them.
 
See Dzeko scores 2 again. Could he have played under Pep?

Absolutely , he would have made him into even a better player than he was under MP and RM despite his age.

He would have pushed him harder when required and his goal scoring record under Pep would have better than the 1 in 2.5 games with us previously.
 
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I hope he skips breakfast today
 
Anyone else think Maguire is the big, glaring weak spot in the defence and is only there for his shit defensive heading and the chance of a goal from a corner?!

The future is obviously Stones and Gomez, because as soon as Maguire gets the ball the opposition is on him like flies on shit, and his footwork is nowhere close to the quality needed.

Is this the first England team to have 3 Harry’s in it?

Sterling can’t buy a foul...even when the player stands on his foot when he is running into the box at full pace! Ridiculous non-call, similar to Chilwell having his back foot taken by the some Spanish ****!

Dier’s sliding tackle was the most perfect sliding tackle I have seen in a very long time, and the joke that was that referee could barely get over there quick enough to give him a yellow card for what was not even a foul. European football is full of cheating snowflakes, though, just like the Spain player who flopped when Chilwell got past him and held his face like he had been elbowed.

Raheem’s first goal was the cleanest EARLY strike I have seen him make in a long, long time. I’m sure it will do him the world of good.

De Gea is the best goalkeeper in the world.

Hahahaha hahahaha! I couldn’t even keep a straight face while I typed it, either!
 
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Goals aside we were poor for long periods of the game against a Spain side rebuilding after the WC.

You'd have thought we had won the WC itself if this morning's papers/ websites are anything to go by.
 
England fans are a fucking embarrassment. No wonder the police are so heavy handed with English club supporters when we go away - unfortunately club fans get tainted because of the historically idiotic minority of England fans that behaviour likes animals and have done consistently over the years.
 
We've beat Spain in their own back yard.

Let us just have this moment. We've done it with a midfield of Dier, Barkley and Winks. I think the future is looking quite alright.

Also just seen a vid of an alleged stamp from Ramos on Raheem, looks a bit suspect.

 

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