Iran seizes British tanker

[dave_blue12]

Interesting question

 

[denislawsbackheel]

ermmmm
point 1... if they don't recognise those waters as BRITISH ,why don't they recover them along with the land they assume is Spanish,the law says they cant unless they try to enfocre it
point 2 .. we have UK waters,Italian waters,Spanish waters,,not EU waters,each water is policed by the country that owns those waters not the EU,we do not have an EU NAVY to police them.when Irish fishing boats are fishing illegally off Scotland we do not call the EU for help we would have to escort them from our territorial waters and we are both in the EU
point 3... i can assure you in or out of the EU the result of the seizure in Gib would have been the same
point 4... tend to agree we do a lot of dirty work however that's resulted in us living in a free county, free to please and come and go as you like, sleeping without fear of rogue nations dropping nuke's on us. lets face it if we had let Iran carry on with their nuke program and they had developed nukes that could reach the UK we would all be rather twitchy at the moment,,'not a nice thought is it'

Iran don’t seem to give a fuck about Trident though do they?

 

[Blue Mist]

ermmmm
point 1... if they don't recognise those waters as BRITISH ,why don't they recover them along with the land they assume is Spanish,the law says they cant unless they try to enfocre it
point 2 .. we have UK waters,Italian waters,Spanish waters,,not EU waters,each water is policed by the country that owns those waters not the EU,we do not have an EU NAVY to police them.when Irish fishing boats are fishing illegally off Scotland we do not call the EU for help we would have to escort them from our territorial waters and we are both in the EU
point 3... i can assure you in or out of the EU the result of the seizure in Gib would have been the same
point 4... tend to agree we do a lot of dirty work however that's resulted in us living in a free county, free to please and come and go as you like, sleeping without fear of rogue nations dropping nuke's on us. lets face it if we had let Iran carry on with their nuke program and they had developed nukes that could reach the UK we would all be rather twitchy at the moment,,'not a nice thought is it'

I will go straight to point 4. France, Spain and Portugal are all free countries and yet they don't get involved in playing 'big boy'. None of them had any real involvement in Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and every other conflict we have managed to pretend we are doing some good whilst beating our chests like Tarzan. If Iran does go on to be fully nuclear who are they going to threaten ? none of the 3 I have just mentioned but I bet we are first on the list as we are seen as the aggressors and Trumps puppets.. If they threaten Israel who is going to leap up and defend them, again not the three I have mentioned.
My point is, we seized the tanker as it was breaking EU sanctions, where were the other countries when this was going on ? where was the vocal support after ? The Spanish government sat there moaning about Gibraltar being theirs, so much for unity.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Me@nwhil

I will go straight to point 4. France, Spain and Portugal are all free countries and yet they don't get involved in playing 'big boy'. None of them had any real involvement in Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and every other conflict we have managed to pretend we are doing some good whilst beating our chests like Tarzan. If Iran does go on to be fully nuclear who are they going to threaten ? none of the 3 I have just mentioned but I bet we are first on the list as we are seen as the aggressors and Trumps puppets.. If they threaten Israel who is going to leap up and defend them, again not the three I have mentioned.
My point is, we seized the tanker as it was breaking EU sanctions, where were the other countries when this was going on ? where was the vocal support after ? The Spanish government sat there moaning about Gibraltar being theirs, so much for unity.

France was the first country to launch air strikes in Syria in 2015.
before anyone else.

 

[SWP's back]

I will go straight to point 4. France, Spain and Portugal are all free countries and yet they don't get involved in playing 'big boy'. None of them had any real involvement in Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and every other conflict we have managed to pretend we are doing some good whilst beating our chests like Tarzan. If Iran does go on to be fully nuclear who are they going to threaten ? none of the 3 I have just mentioned but I bet we are first on the list as we are seen as the aggressors and Trumps puppets.. If they threaten Israel who is going to leap up and defend them, again not the three I have mentioned.
My point is, we seized the tanker as it was breaking EU sanctions, where were the other countries when this was going on ? where was the vocal support after ? The Spanish government sat there moaning about Gibraltar being theirs, so much for unity.

You don’t think the UK did any good in Kuwait?

You should try and educate yourself.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

What pisses me of is that it is always us. When an Iranian tanker was sailing down the Mediterranean allegedly breaking EU sanctions we went and 'captured it'. Bearing in mind we are supposedly leaving the EU why didn't the French or the Spanish seize it ? We now have the farcical issue of the Spanish saying we acting illegally as we were in Spanish waters (they do not acknowledge Gibralter), The Iranians seizing our ships and the EU doing fuck all. Don't get me wrong, this is not an Brexit thread, I am just pissed off that we always have to be the ones sending troops in when everyone else sits on their arses.

I assume Trump told us to do it so we did. What a stupid load of lick spittles we have in charge of this country.

What makes it worse is that there are reports that the tanker we illegally captured wasn't carrying aviation fuel (which is subject to sanctions) but 'normsl' crude oil which ISNT subject to sanctions.

In other words our actions were an act of international piracy.

The irony is that for all the tub thumping from people who naturally wouldn't let themselves or those they care about anywhere near the armed forces, we are likely going to end up in some sort of limited shooting match with the Iranians and quite likely get our arses handed to us .

Terrible for the poor lads and lasses on the receiving end and all because the British state acted illegally.

 

[urban genie]

You don’t think the UK did any good in Kuwait?

You should try and educate yourself.

Yeah but Kuwait are mates with Iran, well they get on better with them than most of the gulf


This comment has nowt to do with your and msits conversation btw

 

[SWP's back]

What makes it worse is that there are reports that the tanker we illegally captured wasn't carrying aviation fuel (which is subject to sanctions) but 'normsl' crude oil which ISNT subject to sanctions.

In other words our actions were an act of international piracy.

The irony is that for all the tub thumping from people who naturally wouldn't let themselves or those they care about anywhere near the armed forces, we are likely going to end up in some sort of limited shooting match with the Iranians and quite likely get our arses handed to us .

Terrible for the poor lads and lasses on the receiving end and all because the British state acted illegally.

1) which reports?
2) crude oil very much IS subject to sanctions.

Standard of you though to go off half cocked at any chance you can to denigrate the UK.

 

[Trojan1962]

Weak Government, weak leadership at the top, insufficient armed forces. Poor standing in the world especially Europe over the B issue has contributed to this situation. It’s a mess and I don’t see how we can come out of it with any credibility.

 

[marco]

I will go straight to point 4. France, Spain and Portugal are all free countries and yet they don't get involved in playing 'big boy'. None of them had any real involvement in Iraq, Kuwait, Syria and every other conflict we have managed to pretend we are doing some good whilst beating our chests like Tarzan. If Iran does go on to be fully nuclear who are they going to threaten ? none of the 3 I have just mentioned but I bet we are first on the list as we are seen as the aggressors and Trumps puppets.. If they threaten Israel who is going to leap up and defend them, again not the three I have mentioned.
My point is, we seized the tanker as it was breaking EU sanctions, where were the other countries when this was going on ? where was the vocal support after ? The Spanish government sat there moaning about Gibraltar being theirs, so much for unity.

i do get your point BM, but as the tanker was in the Gib straights it was down to us to take it, if it was off mainland Spain we could not have seized it, it would have been the duty of the Spanish to do so, regarding the input into Iraq the EU nations did to a certain degree get involved, remember the UK have a base at Cyprus which was within the radius of doing hit and runs over Iraq,i would imagine we would have been financially compensated by the EU, Trump is another thing although i'd sooner have him and the US along with us rather than our so called friends from the other side of the channel,they cant be trusted as proved with Brexit

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The US I seem to remember have a habit of only coming to our aid late and only after they’ve shafted us selling us obsolete kit at sky high prices.

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

This is just a smokescreen.

They have been targeting Iran for donkeys of years. And now here's another excuse.

Some of you are blind. Look inbetween the lines.

I ask you:

Why Iran from day one?
Which country in middle East despises Iran?
Whom does Iran share borders with?
Now Syria and Iraq are done. Iran was the final peice. Who gains from this in that middle East region?

Clues?

Begins with I and ends with L

 

[malg]

Istanbul? Is it the Turks??

 

[SWP's back]

Begins with I and ends with L

That’s not how you spell Saudi Arabia.

 

[kinkyblue]

1) which reports?
2) crude oil very much IS subject to sanctions.

Standard of you though to go off half cocked at any chance you can to denigrate the UK.

I have noticed his insistence on this as well!!

 

[Blue Mist]

You don’t think the UK did any good in Kuwait?

You should try and educate yourself.

Perhaps you should read posts before typing and also being so sarcastic. What exactly did the UK achieve in Kuwait ? We merely kicked the invader back to his own country and we all stopped politely at the border. That left the Yanks seething and they did everything in their power, eventually succeeding, in going in and finishing kicking his ass but leaving a right shit storm behind. Who was their at their side ? us. I get what DennisLBH is saying, France fired missiles but then buggered off. The only countries that is always at the fight is us and the Yanks, the Spanish don't suffer from PTSD, the French only suffer PMT from fighting each other in Paris. Why are we always the ones in first last and in the middle ?

To finish my point about Kuwait, we were at the forefront of the fight, none of the Europeans led the way and all it did was start the whole mess that is now the Middle East. I know you live there so I know you will see things differently but I am sick of seeing our soldiers being shit on by our government and the yanks whilst Europe stands idly by.

 

[SWP's back]

What exactly did the UK achieve in Kuwait ? We merely kicked the invader back to his own country and we all stopped politely at the border.

Yes we did the exact above and the Kuwaitis are still fucking grateful. Whatever you think about our conduct in other wars or the rest of the Middle East, the liberation of Kuwait was entirely successful. You seem to be annoyed that we didn’t then go and attack Iraq further at that point which is rich given you’re sick of soldiers being shat on.

(As for the rest of your post about other countries etc, I didn’t comment on that and I’m not doing here either, my post to you was about Kuwait)

 

[Dubai Blue]

Which country in middle East despises Iran?

Most of them

 

[Deleted member 77198]

This is just a smokescreen.

They have been targeting Iran for donkeys of years. And now here's another excuse.

Some of you are blind. Look inbetween the lines.

I ask you:

Why Iran from day one?
Which country in middle East despises Iran?
Whom does Iran share borders with?
Now Syria and Iraq are done. Iran was the final peice. Who gains from this in that middle East region?

Clues?

Begins with I and ends with L

ISIL?

 

[i kne albert davy]

The US I seem to remember have a habit of only coming to our aid late and only after they’ve shafted us selling us obsolete kit at sky high prices.

Yes the United States looks after itself first why shouldn't it, it was certainly in it's own interests that Great Britain stayed in the fight in WW2 but what was this obsolete kit they sold us, the 17 thousand Shermans we received were the same as US forces used, their 100 octane petrol helped our aircraft win the Battle of Britain their Sherman and Lee Grant tanks helped us win the desert war.their aircraft kept our troops supplied all over East Asia, american supplied food kept Britain alive.The biggest mistake Hitler made in WW2 wasn't invading Russia it was declaring war on the USA from that point on we couldn't lose.