BobKowalski
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No. Trump will not go to war in the run up to 2020. Trump will not go to war at all if he can avoid it. Trump is first and foremost an isolationist.
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AlexWilliamsGloves
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This has been a long time coming
From 2007:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re...q-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
From 2007:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re...q-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.
I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.”
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
Chippy_boy
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And to be honest, your relentless lefty nonsense is getting more than a little tiring as well.Johnson will be Trumps poodle, just as Blair was Bush's
Capitalist cunts the lot of them. Oil and profit before soldiers and innocents lives and re-election boosts for the warmongers.
Makes me fucking sick.
Rascal
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And to be honest, your relentless lefty nonsense is getting more than a little tiring as well.
Thanks for your honesty, its a sign it is working.
You don't want to live in an echo chamber do you? Tory reach arounds etc.
grunge
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No. Trump will not go to war in the run up to 2020. Trump will not go to war at all if he can avoid it. Trump is first and foremost an isolationist.
Trump will quite happily go to war if it means he wins the next election.
George Hannah
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Don't know - that is rather the point of the thread. (I did consider asking if it was inevitable)Imminent you say... How Imminent?
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aguerrrroooooooooooo
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I think you're giving Bush far too much credit, he was Cheney and co's puppetJohnson will be Trumps poodle, just as Blair was Bush's
Capitalist cunts the lot of them. Oil and profit before soldiers and innocents lives and re-election boosts for the warmongers.
Makes me fucking sick.
Grassland Blue
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Did Blair ever find those wmd's....?I think you're giving Bush far too much credit, he was Cheney and co's puppet
Metal Biker
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Yeah they did; they discovered they were ones we'd sold to them.Did Blair ever find those wmd's....?
*disclaimer NTBTS*
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blueinsa
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When we have finished with Tehran can we do Brussels on the way back home?