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FCBarca said:
True and not even limited to the Trump era. Goes back nearly 7 decades to when a CIA (US & UK) backed coup of the democratically elected leader of Iran to put in place a puppet regime with Shah Pahlavi because Iran was nationalizing their oil
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Yep which led to the rise of Islamists and the end of moderate Islam where women could wear and do as they pleased.
 
It was clearly Iran, but this whole situation has arisen due to the incoherent policy of the Trump administration. An Iranian spokesman was on the radio this morning agreeing that all the evidence pointed towards it being Iran but there was no proof, and if it was Iran, they would have calculated what the response of the US and Saudi would be.
As China and Russia have their back and Trump is in Putin's pocket they have calculated that they can get away with it.
Iran are taking the piss and its down to Trump being a fool.
 
Mike D said:
No doubt if we No Deal Ireland will be given back
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I'm sure you mean no ill will with this statement, but this is a very frustrating point of view...the suggestion Ireland can just be "given back" along with an inferred lack of care or interest. Like Brexit, if there ever was a Border referendum, whichever way it goes it will be VERY close...you will have nearly half the country unhappy with the outcome.

So unlike Brexit where you have noisy protesters trying to shout naughty words at Boris...you'll have noisy "protestors" with a history killing and blowing shit up. (And no, this isnt being a terrorist sympathiser or apologist....its just true)

Again, i know you meant nothing by your statement, but there is such a lack of understanding/consideration for the situation here...its quite scary.
 
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AlexWilliamsGloves said:
I'm sure you mean no ill will with this statement, but this is a very frustrating point of view...the suggestion Ireland can just be "given back" along with an inferred lack of care or interest. Like Brexit, if there ever was a Border referendum, whichever way it goes it will be VERY close...you will have nearly half the country unhappy with the outcome.

So unlike Brexit where you have noisy protesters trying to shout naughty words at Boris...you'll have noisy "protestors" with a history killing and blowing shit up. (And no, this isnt being a terrorist sympathiser or apologist....its just true)

Again, i know you meant nothing by your statement, but there is such a lack of understanding/consideration for the situation here...its quite scary.
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Ireland will never "be given back" in the literal sense of that phrase. And I agree that is probably not what Mike D meant.
If the GFA is allowed survive, it ensures that whatever outcome in the future will be the will of the majority North and South. It also has within it the concept of self determination and dual citizenship. You can recognise yourself as Irish or British.
For all the emotive notions that some elements will put forward about a United Ireland, I myself would not like a United Ireland as dis-United as the current UK.
Not that I wouldn't like the notion of uniting Ireland. But it would have to be a permanent solution that has a future. That means bringing along as many people as possible.
You would need a sizable majority in the North willing to participate and make it work and it would mean not letting a minority in the South go the triumphalist route that caused and still causes so many problems up North.
As I said earlier it is a time for wisdom amongst our political leaders.

Anyway. Maybe this should be taken to the Irish Current affairs thread.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Ireland will never "be given back" in the literal sense of that phrase. And I agree that is probably not what Mike D meant.
If the GFA is allowed survive, it ensures that whatever outcome in the future will be the will of the majority North and South. It also has within it the concept of self determination and dual citizenship. You can recognise yourself as Irish or British.
For all the emotive notions that some elements will put forward about a United Ireland, I myself would not like a United Ireland as dis-United as the current UK.
Not that I wouldn't like the notion of uniting Ireland. But it would have to be a permanent solution that has a future. That means bringing along as many people as possible.
You would need a sizable majority in the North willing to participate and make it work and it would mean not letting a minority in the South go the triumphalist route that caused and still causes so many problems up North.
As I said earlier it is a time for wisdom amongst our political leaders.

Anyway. Maybe this should be taken to the Irish Current affairs thread.
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Oh for Hume and Trimble
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
I'm sure you mean no ill will with this statement, but this is a very frustrating point of view...the suggestion Ireland can just be "given back" along with an inferred lack of care or interest. Like Brexit, if there ever was a Border referendum, whichever way it goes it will be VERY close...you will have nearly half the country unhappy with the outcome.

So unlike Brexit where you have noisy protesters trying to shout naughty words at Boris...you'll have noisy "protestors" with a history killing and blowing shit up. (And no, this isnt being a terrorist sympathiser or apologist....its just true)

Again, i know you meant nothing by your statement, but there is such a lack of understanding/consideration for the situation here...its quite scary.
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I do have quiet a good understanding actually and accepted that this was a flippant statement. The Irish border issue is very contentious and one which has already lead to the increased activity from dissident republicans. Fortunately for me my time in Ireland has been after the Good Friday agreement was signed and never experienced the troubles. Once that wall goes up which it will if we carry on down this no deal with path the pandora's box will be opened again.
 
To answer the OP's question, no, war with Iran is not imminent.

Trump's second term is pretty much in the bag anyway, and a war would wreck the US economy and leave Trump with a legacy of failure.

He's stupid, but not that stupid.
 
Chippy_boy said:
To answer the OP's question, no, war with Iran is not imminent.

Trump's second term is pretty much in the bag anyway, and a war would wreck the US economy and leave Trump with a legacy of failure.

He's stupid, but not that stupid.
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I don’t think there is a chance of war, and neither do I think we would be doing nvolved, but I do take exception to your assessment of Trump, he’s a tiny mushroom cock out moron.

Wars seem to give political advantage to begin with it least, so if he thought it could help his m, he would send thousands to their death without a second thought.

I also hope you’re wrong about a second term for the bastard. That would be disastrous for the planet. Although looking at the Democrats and how much of a bunch of wankers they are, you can never tell.
 
Saudi Arabia oil attacks: Weapons debris 'proves Iran behind them'

Saudi Arabia says the direction of the strikes showed the missiles could not have come from Yemen

Saudi Arabia's defence ministry has shown off what it says is wreckage of drones and cruise missiles that proves Iranian involvement in weekend attacks on two oil facilities.
It said 18 drones and seven cruise missiles were fired from a direction that ruled out Yemen as a source.
Yemen's Iran-aligned Houthi rebels had said they were behind the attacks.
Iran has denied any involvement and warned it would retaliate against any attack that targeted it.
The US has stood by its accusation that Iran was behind the attacks. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said after arriving in Saudi Arabia on Wednesday that it was an "act of war".

What's in the Saudi findings?

The evidence was presented at a defence ministry press briefing, where debris from the drone (UAV) and missile attacks was laid out.
Defence ministry spokesman Col Turki al-Malki said the evidence showed the attacks were launched from the north and were “unquestionably sponsored by Iran”.
However, Col Malki said the Saudis were still "working to know exactly the launch point".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49746645
 
Mike D said:
I do have quiet a good understanding actually and accepted that this was a flippant statement. The Irish border issue is very contentious and one which has already lead to the increased activity from dissident republicans. Fortunately for me my time in Ireland has been after the Good Friday agreement was signed and never experienced the troubles. Once that wall goes up which it will if we carry on down this no deal with path the pandora's box will be opened again.
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Pandora's box as never been closed just closed a blind eye to.
 
If Saudi or the US can establish beyond doubt that those missiles were fired from Iran, and it seems pretty certain they were then Iran may have crossed the line.

It is hard to imagine that Saudi and or the US would not respond militarily. Whilst a full blown invasion of Iran would be just about impossible, air and missile strikes on Irans military would not be. Iran has a very poor air force and air defence system so these would be carried out with little risk of suffering many if any losses in doing so.

How would Iran react? They may try to close the straits of Hormuz in which case things could then get pretty serious as that would cerainly leave the Yanks no choice other than to go in heavy.

At some time in the not too distant future Iran is going to get hit, If the saudi/US dont see fit to go for them now the Israelis are going to clobber the Iranian nuclear programme the minute they think Iran is close to having nuclear weapons. Thats a scenario many fear and Iran may have given others an excuse to do that job before Israel does.

Iran have been pulling too many lions tails and that seldom ends well.
 
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