Irish travellers rounded up in Manchester.

[Churchlawtonblue]

Travellers may misbehave, they may even be criminals.They don't tend to incite racial violence or believe they are members of a master race.

This is also their home country.

I don't think banning hooligans from coming to Europe is excessive.

May misbehave?? You clearly have not had many dealing with them.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Do they still flog you clothes pegs

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Good.

Maybe if they didn’t have a “culture” of trashing other people’s property, leaving shit everywhere, anti social behaviour and going on robbing sprees, the rest of society would be more tolerant of the “traveller” “community”.

 

[Bigga]

I didn't watch this yesterday, but it's a really similar technique I introduced to my team on the doors by visually profiling groups or individuals splintering off and wanting to come into the clubs.

You can spot 90% of who's whom just in the vid as they stick out like a sore thumb if you know what you're looking for.

 

[Bigga]

I'll reserve judgement on what's considered 'acceptable'. However, in legal terms, Irish Travellers are defined as an ethnic group and, as such, receive protection against race discrimination, race being one of the nine protected characteristics in the UK under the Equality Act 2010 (excepting NI where the DDA 1995 still applies, albeit with some supplementary legislation). That same protection is not afforded to the 'working class' (whatever that means these days) given that class is not a protected characteristic under said legislation. To paraphrase, we might think the law is an ass but it's still the law.

Just a question as I know you've not phrased it as such (maybe @bert38 can answer), but when it comes to a 'protected class' which law supersedes which when it comes to racial discrimination and potential criminal and/ or antisocial behaviour?

It seems pretty obvious to me, but maybe the law makes this a very thin line to work with?

 

[unsworthblue]

So a bunch of innocent children aren’t allowed to have a day out nowadays
I say ‘innocent’ because as far as I’m aware these children haven’t committed any crimes apart from the crime of being travellers (or suspected) ?
So it’s ok for the police to manhandle young girls and force them onto a train? Wow
The same people supporting this totalitarian behaviour will be the same people who won’t allow this post to stay around for long like my previous post
Very very sad day for human beings and freedom

 

[Blue Smarties]

So a bunch of innocent children aren’t allowed to have a day out nowadays
I say ‘innocent’ because as far as I’m aware these children haven’t committed any crimes apart from the crime of being travellers (or suspected) ?
So it’s ok for the police to manhandle young girls and force them onto a train? Wow
The same people supporting this totalitarian behaviour will be the same people who won’t allow this post to stay around for long like my previous post
Very very sad day for human beings and freedom

Same group of kids who have been constantly congregating at the Arndale and robbing stores. Fuck them, should have happened after their first meet up.

 

[Bigga]

So a bunch of innocent children aren’t allowed to have a day out nowadays
I say ‘innocent’ because as far as I’m aware these children haven’t committed any crimes apart from the crime of being travellers (or suspected) ?
So it’s ok for the police to manhandle young girls and force them onto a train? Wow
The same people supporting this totalitarian behaviour will be the same people who won’t allow this post to stay around for long like my previous post
Very very sad day for human beings and freedom

Just to play 'Devil's Advocate', how do you know these are "innocent children"? If you watch the video posted on them being dispersed one even said they come every year.

So, if this is so, and there's been bad experiences reported, why wouldn't action be taken to avoid repeated issues? 'Innocent until proven guilty' is an idealism, but when it comes to repeated history it changes.

So my question above this is rooted in that scenario.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Travellers are a deeply unpleasant group of society who care little for anyone but themselves.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is either very naive or has had no dealings with them.

 

[unsworthblue]

Just to play 'Devil's Advocate', how do you know these are "innocent children"? If you watch the video posted on them being dispersed one even said they come every year.

So, if this is so, and there's been bad experiences reported, why wouldn't action be taken to avoid repeated issues? 'Innocent until proven guilty' is an idealism, but when it comes to repeated history it changes.

So my question above this is rooted in that scenario.

Fair enough if the Police have got evidence that these young girls and boys are responsible for previous crimes then I believe in upholding the law and the offenders responsible should be arrested and tried in a court of law,maybe manhandling young girls back onto a train was a tad over the top and the response on here also OTT

 

[Bluesince1979]

Good.

Maybe if they didn’t have a “culture” of trashing other people’s property, leaving shit everywhere, anti social behaviour and going on robbing sprees, the rest of society would be more tolerant of the “traveller” “community”.

This

Tickles me when a camp rocks up and you get the “let them live there lives” gang chirping up.
Same people go quiet when the travellers leave human shite, filthy rubbish, ripped off old ladies and carnage behind.

 

[Bigga]

Fair enough if the Police have got evidence that these young girls and boys are responsible for previous crimes then I believe in upholding the law and the offenders responsible should be arrested and tried in a court of law,maybe manhandling young girls back onto a train was a tad over the top and the response on here also OTT

Well, I believe the police treated all of this group equally.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Kids don’t congregate and travel in large groups for no reason, even back in the old days, unless they’re up to something or on a school trip. Fuck me the naivety of some people. Maybe a group of ten or so travelling together is normal but kids are way more streetwise today than we were at their age. They all know about the huge shoplifting problem that city centre shops have and the tactics being used by large groups so really they should know not to travel in such large numbers. This is the usual goading of authorities to get a response. As for sympathy for 13 year olds, where do we draw the line for responsibility? If I was the parent I would be aghast at my child travelling with such a large group into a city centre. Legally the child is still a child, yes, but legally the parent is still responsible if you use that argument. But we all know there are under age kids involved in criminal activity for the very reason they are the age they are. Yet here we are, it’s the police, and probably the large majority of law abiding citizens who support these preventative actions, who are at fault.

 

[East Level 2]

Because two wrongs don’t make a right?

I'm sure you know I wasn't being serious, but the treatment of football fans (most of whom were innocent) will have been witnessed by many on here, so group treatment of other groups shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[Blue Mist]

What the difference between me, a middle class male speaking in pejorative terms about working class people and a working class male speaking in pejorative terms about a traveler?

Which is the most acceptable?

Answers on a postcard…

@gordondaviesmoustache I haven't got a postcard, can I use a stuck down envelope instead ?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

@gordondaviesmoustache I haven't got a postcard, can I use a stuck down envelope instead ?

Why do you tag people when you quote their posts?

You know they get an alert, either way?

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

@gordondaviesmoustache I haven't got a postcard, can I use a stuck down envelope instead ?

Pauper.

 

[Blue Mist]

So a bunch of innocent children aren’t allowed to have a day out nowadays
I say ‘innocent’ because as far as I’m aware these children haven’t committed any crimes apart from the crime of being travellers (or suspected) ?
So it’s ok for the police to manhandle young girls and force them onto a train? Wow
The same people supporting this totalitarian behaviour will be the same people who won’t allow this post to stay around for long like my previous post
Very very sad day for human beings and freedom

@unsworthblue Last year and in years past the travelling community has descended into Manchester city centre and rampaged through shops, stealing from them and assaulting people. Reports say there were about 400 involved.
This action was to prevent the same happening again.
How would you suggest the police dealt with it ?

 

[Blue Mist]

Why do you tag people when you quote their posts?

You know they get an alert, either way?

No I didn't! Ages ago Ric told me to do it.

So can I use an envelope

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Pauper.

Depends what it’s stuck down with.