Irish Women’s Team singing pro IRA chant

[Phil1]

Is the theme you being a complete numpty ;-)

Well I’ve never denied that tbf.

 

[manclad]

Re the Mau Mau; The murder and castration of men and the anally raping and murdering of women Kenyans was widespread, systematic and fully known about by all levels in the military and as high as the upper echelons of government, but they allowed it to persist.
Even if it wasn’t directly ordered by government (hard to say due to the wholesale redaction in the papers released to date) it was seen as a means to and end and they were complicit by letting it continue.

Re Assange; Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. Couldn’t have put it better myself.

Re our government going after it’s own side; When do they do that in the context of the occupation? As far as I’m aware the British troops did everything under orders and I’m not aware of any soldiers ever being prosecuted - though I must emphasise that it’s not an aspect that I’ve read up on.
In any case, IMO the most heinous acts weren’t by soldiers in ordinary uniform but by MI6 and special forces and the full truth of it will be in our dirty laundry basket where some parts will be cleaned by our tame media and the parts that just don’t come clean won’t see the light of day for 100 years.

PS. When thinking in the topic of our government going after our side, in a wider context.
My thoughts went to the sinking of the General Belgrano, a troop carrier that, (as I’m sure you’ll recall) was outside the exclusion zone stipulated by the UK government, and sailing away from it when it was sunk by torpedoes murdering 323 sailors and young boy recruits who weren’t posing a threat to anyone.
The captain of the submarine later ‘lost’ the ships log during a journey from Scotland to London . . so nobody was prosecuted for a mass murder that everybody knew about.
Public knowledge and, with the helpful massaging by the media to make it seem ‘acceptable‘, none of ours got so much as a slapped wrist.

Just replying to this post because there are a number of glaring errors in it.
First of all the General Belgrano was NOT a troop carrier, it was an Argentinian warship, a cruiser actually and she was armed with large calibre naval guns.
Although she was old and outdated,she still posed a huge threat to the UK Taskforce,and because of this threat she could not be allowed to roam around the South Atlantic unchallenged.
The Belgrano was outside the Exclusion Zone, but it was decided at Cabinet level to destroy this imminent and ominous threat to the Task Force.
Orders were given to HMS Conqueror to find and sink the Belgrano, and those orders were duly carried out , completely within the rules of war.
No Argentinians were murdered during this encounter,the sailors who died were combatants in a theatre of war.
One of the other effects of sinking the Belgrano,was that the Argentinian Navy high command realized how vulnerable their surface ships were to being attacked by Royal Navy submarines.
So their aircraft carrier never left port ,and subsequently all air cover for the Argentinian ground forces on the Falklands was exclusively provided by the Argentinian Air Force from bases on the Argentinian mainland.
Because of this ,their warplanes were operating at their maximum fuel range and had very little fuel to loiter,so could provide very limited assistance to the ground forces below them.
And the sinking of the Belgrano also allowed the Taskforce to bring our own troopships (QE2 and Canberra) into the South Atlantic without the risk of being sunk by enemy action.
Can you imagine if Argentinian forces had managed to sink one of those 2, with the possible loss of 3,000 of our own soldiers. Unthinkable to be brutally honest.

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

Just replying to this post because there are a number of glaring errors in it.
First of all the General Belgrano was NOT a troop carrier, it was an Argentinian warship, a cruiser actually and she was armed with large calibre naval guns.
Although she was old and outdated,she still posed a huge threat to the UK Taskforce,and because of this threat she could not be allowed to roam around the South Atlantic unchallenged.
The Belgrano was outside the Exclusion Zone, but it was decided at Cabinet level to destroy this imminent and ominous threat to the Task Force.
Orders were given to HMS Conqueror to find and sink the Belgrano, and those orders were duly carried out , completely within the rules of war.
No Argentinians were murdered during this encounter,the sailors who died were combatants in a theatre of war.
One of the other effects of sinking the Belgrano,was that the Argentinian Navy high command realized how vulnerable their surface ships were being attacked by Royal Navy submarines.
So their aircraft carrier never left port ,and subsequently all air cover for the Argentinian ground forces on the Falklands was exclusively provided by the Argentinian Air Force from bases on the Argentinian mainland.
Because of this ,their warplanes were operating at their maximum fuel range and had very little fuel to loiter,so could provide very limited assistance to the ground forces below them.
And the sinking of the Belgrano also allowed the Taskforce to bring our own troopships (QE2 and Canberra) into the South Atlantic without the risk of being sunk by enemy action.
Can you imagine if Argentinian forces had managed to sink one of those 2, with the possible loss of 3,000 of our own soldiers. Unthinkable to be brutally honest.

A thing is what it is and, while the General Belgians was a warship when built in 1951, by the 1980’s it was so outdated that it was being used as a troop carrier by the time of the conflict.
And, if we didn’t want the Belgians where it was (outside the exclusion zone that we implemented, and sailing away from it) then we should have implemented a larger exclusion zone rather than using a nuclear submarine to murder a bunch of young conscripts that were being carried in a boat that was fully compliant with our exclusion zone and thus should have been safe from our attack within the rules that we had made.
You can try washing it anyway you want but it was a mass murder in a conflict brought about with great deliberation by our government to keep Thatcher in power.

Happy to agree to disagree though because this is a forum so all views are valid - and anyhow I’ve got bigger things to think about in the build up to our kick off.

Come on you Blues eh?

 

[aguero93:20]

Most Irish (not all )are like Scoucers , people think they are funny and cheeky and all they do is hate anything British , but more than happy to live the Uk am surprised they didn’t bellow out James McClean hates the fucking queen also

Cop the fuck on to yourself a small bit would you. James has his reasons for not wearing a poppy and they're good ones and should be fucking respected.

 

[Jack74]

Cop the fuck on to yourself a small bit would you. James has his reasons for not wearing a poppy and they're good ones and should be fucking respected.

That’s absolutely fine mate , I just thought why not sing that as well as he is pro ra .

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Just replying to this post because there are a number of glaring errors in it.
First of all the General Belgrano was NOT a troop carrier, it was an Argentinian warship, a cruiser actually and she was armed with large calibre naval guns.
Although she was old and outdated,she still posed a huge threat to the UK Taskforce,and because of this threat she could not be allowed to roam around the South Atlantic unchallenged.
The Belgrano was outside the Exclusion Zone, but it was decided at Cabinet level to destroy this imminent and ominous threat to the Task Force.
Orders were given to HMS Conqueror to find and sink the Belgrano, and those orders were duly carried out , completely within the rules of war.
No Argentinians were murdered during this encounter,the sailors who died were combatants in a theatre of war.
One of the other effects of sinking the Belgrano,was that the Argentinian Navy high command realized how vulnerable their surface ships were to being attacked by Royal Navy submarines.
So their aircraft carrier never left port ,and subsequently all air cover for the Argentinian ground forces on the Falklands was exclusively provided by the Argentinian Air Force from bases on the Argentinian mainland.
Because of this ,their warplanes were operating at their maximum fuel range and had very little fuel to loiter,so could provide very limited assistance to the ground forces below them.
And the sinking of the Belgrano also allowed the Taskforce to bring our own troopships (QE2 and Canberra) into the South Atlantic without the risk of being sunk by enemy action.
Can you imagine if Argentinian forces had managed to sink one of those 2, with the possible loss of 3,000 of our own soldiers. Unthinkable to be brutally honest.

The Belgrano was actually a US ww2 ship that was at, and (obviously) survived the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Good post.

 

[manclad]

The Belgrano was actually a US ww2 ship that was at, and (obviously) survived the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Good post.

Cheers pal.
At least some people on this thread listen to facts and reason,rather than the made up bullshit and anti - British propaganda that others are happy to spout out.