Is it time to unmask the muslim woman?

[sweynforkbeard]

Unlike yourself I am not a fan of men in skirts - they are never able to select shoes suitable for the outfit.

-- Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:03 am --

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Give over, everyone knows that espadrilles are de rigeur for the fashion conscious blower upper. Muppet.

Espadrilles, hmm, yes - unless you live in a brogue state.<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:21 am --<br /><br />

Reading threads like this, it genuinely surprises me how many people are in denial of such a thing as a British culture or a British way of life. We'll get told now that our culture is tolerance and our way of life is acceptance, but sometimes its just nice to think back to the days when we used to have fish n chips on a friday (without fail), nipping out for a pint luv etc etc. Its completely unfair to blindly label people racist or intolerant if they hold a dim view of an item of clothing created in a land far far away which appears intrinsically linked to the oppression of the fairer sex.

In our culture, in Great Britain it has always been considered polite and courtious (sp) to communicate face to face without barriers being in the way be them helmets or veils or whatever. As youngsters I lost count of the amount of time my mum would tell me off for talking with my hand over my mouth. I wont subscribe to a complete ban as that would be hypocritical but worse still it would be counter productive but I am an avid beleiver of the when in Rome school of thought. I always try to learn at least some stock phrases such as hello, thank you, good night etc when on holiday as I believe its important to make an effort when in another persons country, likewise I wouldnt enter a building be that someones home or a place of worship or whatever without ensuring my attire met the standards accepted.

I feel these full veils are a symbol not just of potential oppression or indoctrination but also division. "This is who I am, and I do not intend to integrate" kind of statement.

Damn me all you like peeps but thats my 2p worth.

Worth a lot more than 2p that. Like it or not I think that a sizeable proportion of white working class males feel excluded in their own country by the liberal intelligentsias espousal of multiculturalism that seems to belittle and denigrate their existence. I have seen it in schools, it exists and it is worrying and counter productive to the sort of society I hope our country can be.

 

[Damocles]

Worth a lot more than 2p that. Like it or not I think that a sizeable proportion of white working class males feel excluded in their own country by the liberal intelligentsias espousal of multiculturalism that seems to belittle and denigrate their existence. I have seen it in schools, it exists and it is worrying and counter productive to the sort of society I hope our country can be.

Indeed, multiculturalism has never been a foundation of British society.

That's why the Celts, Gaelic, Romans, Norse, French, Germans, Afro-Carribeans, Spanish, Indians, Chinese and Australians have never lived in this country throughout it's history in large numbers.

Oh, wait..

I respect your opinion Sweyn, but the facts of the history of Britain don't bear out at all with what you are saying. We have been a multiculturalist country for over 2000 years and have always taken some parts of their culture, then adapted it to our own to form a better Britain.

Anyway, I'm off now to drink my German lager whilst watching my American TV program on my Japanese TV. Perhaps I might have an Indian curry as well as I'm getting a bit peckish? Actually, I might wait and go to the local cafe tomorrow instead and get a French croissant to go with my Columbian Coffee or Caribbean Tea. Hell, I might just turn on the radio and listen to that rock and roll or hip hop, which is totally all about the white working class culture.

 

[blue_robb]

Never knew there were so many fashion conscious on here. Its an item of clothing. It might hold significance for those who wear it, but arsed?

Not when there are those that still wear corduroy and cardigans skulking our civilised streets.

 

[Damocles]

Reading threads like this, it genuinely surprises me how many people are in denial of such a thing as a British culture or a British way of life. We'll get told now that our culture is tolerance and our way of life is acceptance, but sometimes its just nice to think back to the days when we used to have fish n chips on a friday (without fail), nipping out for a pint luv etc etc.

That isn't British culture. People all around the world have done that since time immemorial all around the world, what you are actually describing is leisure time.

A culture is made up of its people and their actions. British culture for better or for worse includes Burqas, Minarets, Churchs, the white collar, the EDL, the BNP, public schoolboys and chavvy council estate wankers.

A culture doesn't stop still, it's a constantly evolving beast and there is no such thing as better or worse, it just is what it is. It is usually the will of the majority of the people.

You are attributing meaning to something that doesn't have any. It's like saying music was better 100 years ago. It wasn't better and it wasn't worse, it's just different because it's a different time and the people make the music of their time.

 

[Fame Monster]

Reading threads like this, it genuinely surprises me how many people are in denial of such a thing as a British culture or a British way of life. We'll get told now that our culture is tolerance and our way of life is acceptance, but sometimes its just nice to think back to the days when we used to have fish n chips on a friday (without fail), nipping out for a pint luv etc etc.

That isn't British culture. People all around the world have done that since time immemorial all around the world, what you are actually describing is leisure time.

A culture is made up of its people and their actions. British culture for better or for worse includes Burqas, Minarets, Churchs, the white collar, the EDL, the BNP, public schoolboys and chavvy council estate wankers.

A culture doesn't stop still, it's a constantly evolving beast and there is no such thing as better or worse, it just is what it is. It is usually the will of the majority of the people.

You are attributing meaning to something that doesn't have any. It's like saying music was better 100 years ago. It wasn't better and it wasn't worse, it's just different because it's a different time and the people make the music of their time.

I think that's a good post.

I've already stated my opinion on a previous thread of this nature, so I'm not going to be at it again.

Anyway, Damocles, could you issue me some help with regard to my topic in the technical forum?

One is always gracious.

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

Never knew there were so many fashion conscious on here. Its an item of clothing. It might hold significance for those who wear it, but arsed?

Not when there are those that still wear corduroy and cardigans skulking our civilised streets.

i never knew,wow

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Reading threads like this, it genuinely surprises me how many people are in denial of such a thing as a British culture or a British way of life. We'll get told now that our culture is tolerance and our way of life is acceptance, but sometimes its just nice to think back to the days when we used to have fish n chips on a friday (without fail), nipping out for a pint luv etc etc.

That isn't British culture. People all around the world have done that since time immemorial all around the world, what you are actually describing is leisure time.

A culture is made up of its people and their actions. British culture for better or for worse includes Burqas, Minarets, Churchs, the white collar, the EDL, the BNP, public schoolboys and chavvy council estate wankers.

A culture doesn't stop still, it's a constantly evolving beast and there is no such thing as better or worse, it just is what it is. It is usually the will of the majority of the people.

You are attributing meaning to something that doesn't have any. It's like saying music was better 100 years ago. It wasn't better and it wasn't worse, it's just different because it's a different time and the people make the music of their time.

Bit cheap that Damocles, its clear that the two examples I gave were not intended to be exhaustive. 'Chavvy council estate wankers, EDL, Minarets' etc may be the British Culture you recognise but bears no resemblence to the British culture I am referring to. Culture can evolve, for sure, but at the moment it is not evolving anymore, it is eroding, there is seemingly so little of our old traditions left.

 

[Skashion]

Bit cheap that Damocles, its clear that the two examples I gave were not intended to be exhaustive. 'Chavvy council estate wankers, EDL, Minarets' etc may be the British Culture you recognise but bears no resemblence to the British culture I am referring to. Culture can evolve, for sure, but at the moment it is not evolving anymore, it is eroding, there is seemingly so little of our old traditions left.

Is a national culture a sufficient reason to ban something?

 

[scorer]

If my missus went to a muslim country and wanted to wear shorts and a bikini top in public she would be prevented from so doing...

Also, how would these people be checked when they boarded the bus with a travel card? The travel card has a photo on it for a reason....so it can be checked.

If these people belive so strongly in wearling this gear then fine... but they must ask themselves a question. Is the strength of this belief stronger than the requirement/need/desire to live in this society?

The answer to this question will inform them about what they need to do.

 

[Skashion]

If my missus went to a muslim country and wanted to wear shorts and a bikini top in public she would be prevented from so doing...

Also, how would these people be checked when they boarded the bus with a travel card? The travel card has a photo on it for a reason....so it can be checked.

If these people belive so strongly in wearling this gear then fine... but they must ask themselbes a question. Is the strength of this belief stronger than the requirement/need/desire tolive in this society?

The answer to this question will inform them about what they need to do.

This twaddle again. So, our solution to the lack of freedoms in other countries is to throw away our own. How does that make any sense? Ironically, it wasn't so long ago that British culture wanted women to cover up. I'd like to see some pictures of Victorian bikini wearers. But no, no, let's imagine that the British idea of appropriate dress wasn't so long ago pretty much exactly the same as the form that is common in most Muslim countries now.

That would be a genuine reason to demand to see a face.

Yes, my belief in liberty and that it can not be sacrificed for such ridiculous notions as ever-evolving culture and conventions is much much much stronger. I place liberty before democracy and socialism so you can damn well be assured that I place it before your beloved flat caps, clogs and being a spectator to a witch hanging.