Is it time to unmask the muslim woman?

[bluemoonmatt]

Bit cheap that Damocles, its clear that the two examples I gave were not intended to be exhaustive. 'Chavvy council estate wankers, EDL, Minarets' etc may be the British Culture you recognise but bears no resemblence to the British culture I am referring to. Culture can evolve, for sure, but at the moment it is not evolving anymore, it is eroding, there is seemingly so little of our old traditions left.

Is a national culture a sufficient reason to ban something?

No but if there could be found the slightest shred of evidence to state that these ladies wear this garment through coercion or indictrination then I believe that that would reason enough to ban it. That said my original post did say I am not in favour of a ban as it would be hypocritical and counter productive.

 

[Skashion]

No but if there could be found the slightest shred of evidence to state that these ladies wear this garment through coercion or indictrination then I believe that that would reason enough to ban it. That said my original post did say I am not in favour of a ban as it would be hypocritical and counter productive.

So your solution to someone being forced to do something is to force other people not to do something? Why not lock everyone up to prevent murders then? Or, perhaps, you can punish the people responsible instead, like how we normally do in the country whose culture is rooted in habeas corpus.

 

[Dubai Blue]

If my missus went to SOME muslim countries and wanted to wear shorts and a bikini top in public she would be prevented from so doing...

 

[bluemoonmatt]

No but if there could be found the slightest shred of evidence to state that these ladies wear this garment through coercion or indictrination then I believe that that would reason enough to ban it. That said my original post did say I am not in favour of a ban as it would be hypocritical and counter productive.

So your solution to someone being forced to do something is to force other people not to do something? Why not lock everyone up to prevent murders then? Or, perhaps, you can punish the people responsible instead, like how we normally do in the country whose culture is rooted in habeas corpus.

So in 21 century Britain if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that a large number of women are being oppressed and indoctrinated, we as a forward thinking developed nation should turn a blind eye and ignore it all, just to please a few blokes. What about their civil liberties?

 

[Skashion]

So your solution to someone being forced to do something is to force other people not to do something? Why not lock everyone up to prevent murders then? Or, perhaps, you can punish the people responsible instead, like how we normally do in the country whose culture is rooted in habeas corpus.

So in 21 century Britain if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that a large number of women are being oppressed and indoctrinated, we as a forward thinking developed nation should turn a blind eye and ignore it all, just to please a few blokes. What about their civil liberties?

 

[bluemoonmatt]

So in 21 century Britain if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that a large number of women are being oppressed and indoctrinated, we as a forward thinking developed nation should turn a blind eye and ignore it all, just to please a few blokes. What about their civil liberties?

How Droll, doesn't answer my question though, are you (as a defender of choice and self confessed Libertarian) comfortable with the notion that there could be even the slightest chance that a great number of Niqab/Burkha wearing females do so as a result of their husbands instruction/demands. Because like it or not, it is a definite possibility.

 

[stonerblue]

If my missus went to a muslim country and wanted to wear shorts and a bikini top in public she would be prevented from so doing...Also, how would these people be checked when they boarded the bus with a travel card? The travel card has a photo on it for a reason....so it can be checked.

If these people belive so strongly in wearling this gear then fine... but they must ask themselves a question. Is the strength of this belief stronger than the requirement/need/desire to live in this society?

The answer to this question will inform them about what they need to do.

Wrong. Turkey and Egypt positively encourage non-muslim women to wear next to nowt

 

[Skashion]

How Droll, doesn't answer my question though, are you (as a defender of choice and self confessed Libertarian) comfortable with the notion that there could be even the slightest chance that a great number of Niqab/Burkha wearing females do so as a result of their husbands instruction/demands. Because like it or not, it is a definite possibility.

You implied that I suggested we turn a blind eye and ignore the civil liberties of those who are being impressed. What I actually suggested is that we treat cases individually - as we already do with any other crime. When an individual is being oppressive, we punish an individual. If multiple individuals are being oppressive you still punish them individually. There is nothing whatsoever inconsistent about being a libertarian and holding that position.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

How Droll, doesn't answer my question though, are you (as a defender of choice and self confessed Libertarian) comfortable with the notion that there could be even the slightest chance that a great number of Niqab/Burkha wearing females do so as a result of their husbands instruction/demands. Because like it or not, it is a definite possibility.

You implied that I suggested we turn a blind eye and ignore the civil liberties of those who are being impressed. What I actually suggested is that we treat cases individually - as we already do with any other crime. When an individual is being oppressive, we punish an individual. If multiple individuals are being oppressive you still punish them individually. There is nothing whatsoever inconsistent about being a libertarian and holding that position.

Nice idea, and I can already imagine the stampede of women tearing off their veils as they run to the authorities to make official their complaint's against their menfolk for their oppressive demands.

By the same principle then I take it you believe we should all be allowed to own a gun, (for example) because well most of us havn't fatally shot anyone. Yet.

 

[Skashion]

By the same principle then I take it you believe we should all be allowed to own a gun, (for example) because well most of us havn't fatally shot anyone. Yet.

There should be the presumption that you won't shoot anyone, yes.