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Is Mancini Going Crazy?
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yankcitizen76
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I am sure that he is picking out Dzeko for a good reason?? Maybe he feels that's the best way to motivate him. As for his comments on the tie, don't see how he could find a positive there!!
Didsbury Dave
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Damocles said:Didsbury Dave said:I'm not going to change my style just like you aren't.
Once again I hold out the olive branch of peace on behalf of my cabal brothers. I feel like Gerry Adams in all honesty, but I'm doing it with a smile ;-)
Well work on the small print later.....
I don't understand what you mean. I'm not going to stop debating your points with you unless you change your points, which you won't and I wouldn't expect you to. This is something that I've been trying to shout from the rooftops since day one; whereas this may have been some personal war with sides and teams and everything to you, to me it wasn't. I don't have a team. I have my opinion on football/the way the game is, my opinion on City and my opinion on the way you put across your points. I dislike the way that you put across your points with a religious like righteousness about them and don't feel that they are very considered nor in line with reality.
I won't call you names any further if that's what you mean. That's unless you start being a condescending twat again, then I'll call you a condescending twat.
I don't understand the big drama here, and feel slightly like I've missed something.
I've tried to be nice, I've tried to use humour, I've tried to throw out olive branches, yet you still use the term "condescending twat". Bearing in mind you're as condescending as they come, there's an irony in there but I'll let it go.
I'm not asking you to stop calling me names, I'm asking you to stop goading me.Truth is, you've been doing it for weeks now. You're the forum techie, one who's not afraid to threaten to quit if you don't get your way, or abuse your status as you proved last week,so I'm on a loser in this cock-waving contest which you called, and it is unedifying in the extreme.
The crux of the matter is we disagree on whether Mancini is the Messiah. I've seen you attack others with the same opinion in a similar way, so I'm not alone.
Let's agree to keep it to the football, how about that? That's what the forum wants and that's what I want, always did. Agreed?
Where I think you fall down in your "thesis" above is that, whilst tactics are a part of football, it is ultimately a simple game played in the hearts and minds of the players on the field. That's where I think Mancini falls down too, because he doesn't engender the loyalty and commitment in his squad which other big name managers do. Everyone knows the comments of the players he falls out with, and fucks off to the detriment of the squad, but when your captain hands in a tranfer request in the heart of the season, something's wrong. And when you are paying the wages of players at other clubs who could improve things, something's wrong there too.
Football isn't a science, it's a game, a battle. If the manager doesn't inspire the players and doesn't make the game simple for them, they underperform.
I'll leave it at that, because the season is building to a climax, and the next few months will prove one of us wrong and one of us right.
Didn't you already reply to that post once? What's up? Were you bored and thought you'd have another go at it?
Your post has typical Dave all over it, so I'll do you a favour and point out everything that is wrong with it so maybe we can get this drilled into your head this time around.
I've said this numerous times in this thread myself.
As I said, you have replied to the post again, who exactly is goading who?
By "my way", I presume you mean walk away because there was a major difference between how long and short term posters were treated that I disagreed with and felt the need to take a stand on. I disagree with decisions every single day, I've talked of walking away once, because it was something I felt strongly about and still do. Also, you are taking above your level, you know the three sentences that I PM'ed to you and not the whole discussion that went around it.
I've never abused my status. You can justify this if you want by going through my posts and finding where you think I did this. You can ask a mod if you want because some threads are in the Mod Forum that you can't see on the search.
No it isn't, that's just the massively transparent strawman argument that you use to try and justify your own pitiful arguments. I don't think Mancini is the Messiah. I don't think any football manager is the Messiah. I don't think Mancini is immune from criticism and I often criticise him myself.
Everybody's argument with you is not even football related. It's related to the fact that, just like in this post, you use ad hominem attacks, logical fallacies, massive and glaring contradictions, strawmen arguments and downright lies to prove your opinion.
When you understand that, we can start talking football properly. For the record:
I couldn't disagree more, and it AGAIN I think this shows your complete lack of understanding of the game. Football hasn't been like this for a good 100 years, and even then it was debatable. Player motivation is absolutely important, and I'd be a fool to suggest otherwise, but you can have the most motivated team in the world and it will not substitute itself for a team that was superbly prepared and possess massive technical skill.
This is why City are 3rd and Blackpool aren't.
Football is nowhere near a simple game, it's a majorly complicated game with the 22 variables to consider fighting 11 different battles on the pitch at any one time, and each affects the sum of the whole in different ways. Football has the illusion of simplicity; it's simple to watch, but really not simple to play at any good level.
Your post has typical Dave all over it, so I'll do you a favour and point out everything that is wrong with it so maybe we can get this drilled into your head this time around.
Bearing in mind you're as condescending as they come, there's an irony in there but I'll let it go.
I've said this numerous times in this thread myself.
I'm asking you to stop goading me
As I said, you have replied to the post again, who exactly is goading who?
who's not afraid to threaten to quit if you don't get your way
By "my way", I presume you mean walk away because there was a major difference between how long and short term posters were treated that I disagreed with and felt the need to take a stand on. I disagree with decisions every single day, I've talked of walking away once, because it was something I felt strongly about and still do. Also, you are taking above your level, you know the three sentences that I PM'ed to you and not the whole discussion that went around it.
or abuse your status as you proved last week,
I've never abused my status. You can justify this if you want by going through my posts and finding where you think I did this. You can ask a mod if you want because some threads are in the Mod Forum that you can't see on the search.
The crux of the matter is we disagree on whether Mancini is the Messiah
No it isn't, that's just the massively transparent strawman argument that you use to try and justify your own pitiful arguments. I don't think Mancini is the Messiah. I don't think any football manager is the Messiah. I don't think Mancini is immune from criticism and I often criticise him myself.
Everybody's argument with you is not even football related. It's related to the fact that, just like in this post, you use ad hominem attacks, logical fallacies, massive and glaring contradictions, strawmen arguments and downright lies to prove your opinion.
When you understand that, we can start talking football properly. For the record:
Where I think you fall down in your "thesis" above is that, whilst tactics are a part of football, it is ultimately a simple game played in the hearts and minds of the players on the field.
I couldn't disagree more, and it AGAIN I think this shows your complete lack of understanding of the game. Football hasn't been like this for a good 100 years, and even then it was debatable. Player motivation is absolutely important, and I'd be a fool to suggest otherwise, but you can have the most motivated team in the world and it will not substitute itself for a team that was superbly prepared and possess massive technical skill.
This is why City are 3rd and Blackpool aren't.
Football is nowhere near a simple game, it's a majorly complicated game with the 22 variables to consider fighting 11 different battles on the pitch at any one time, and each affects the sum of the whole in different ways. Football has the illusion of simplicity; it's simple to watch, but really not simple to play at any good level.