"Is Nasri the last one in?", "I hope not"-Mancini (merged)

[Dax777]

So it is seriously time to chlll....We have: De Jong, Barry, Milner, Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Kolarov, Zabaleta who could play as Central Mids....But we need Viera's replacement? No we don't. He was a sub who came in to close games. Savic, Clichy, Zaba, Kolarov, Milner, Barry, Yaya, Dejong. Whichever one isn't playing at the time can come in and close games....
But we need a De Jong backup? Watch Bolton! Enough said.

we have de Jong & Yaya for defensive midfielders - Barry & Milner and the rest just aren't and Yaya is better deployed further forward. So that leaves de Jong - our only DM specialist - that is why Bob wants another. Seems reasonable to me, problem is fitting him in the CL squad.

Again, the answer to your question (or claim as it isnot a question) lies in teh claim. Even if you suppose Barry is not a DM *which he is* That still leaves you with Yaya (who you agree is or can be a DM), and while you may even be right he is better deployed higher, doesn;t the purchase of Nasri alleviate the need to play him higher in the games we might not have De Jong? I believe it does. As surely Nasri too can be effective higher. And we haven't even broached the topic of Zabaletta yet. Who in reality is one of the closest things to a De Jong backup clone anywhere. ANd then there is Wabara and Milner who can also cameo there. And if we are feeling really funky, Komps himself is a solid DM whoo can seat ahead of Savic/Kolo/Lescott. Whichever 2 starts.

Like I keep saying, there is no real need. Just unnecessary wants!

 

[johnny crossan]

So it is seriously time to chlll....We have: De Jong, Barry, Milner, Yaya, Nasri, Silva, Kolarov, Zabaleta who could play as Central Mids....But we need Viera's replacement? No we don't. He was a sub who came in to close games. Savic, Clichy, Zaba, Kolarov, Milner, Barry, Yaya, Dejong. Whichever one isn't playing at the time can come in and close games....
But we need a De Jong backup? Watch Bolton! Enough said.

we have de Jong & Yaya for defensive midfielders - Barry & Milner and the rest just aren't and Yaya is better deployed further forward. So that leaves de Jong - our only DM specialist - that is why Bob wants another. Seems reasonable to me, problem is fitting him in the CL squad.

Again, the answer to your question (or claim as it isnot a question) lies in teh claim. Even if you suppose Barry is not a DM *which he is* That still leaves you with Yaya (who you agree is or can be a DM), and while you may even be right he is better deployed higher, doesn;t the purchase of Nasri alleviate the need to play him higher in the games we might not have De Jong? I believe it does. As surely Nasri too can be effective higher. And we haven't even broached the topic of Zabaletta yet. Who in reality is one of the closest things to a De Jong backup clone anywhere. ANd then there is Wabara and Milner who can also cameo there. And if we are feeling really funky, Komps himself is a solid DM whoo can seat ahead of Savic/Kolo/Lescott. Whichever 2 starts.

Like I keep saying, there is no real need. Just unnecessary wants!

We must graciously disagree Dax. Zaba, for all his many qualities, is no de Jong clone. Barry is another excellent player whose strengths do not include the speed and tackling ability required, similarly Milner. Savic & Wabara are promising young CBs, not what you need for an injured de Jong in a CL tie and I'm afraid Vinnie & Jolo really should be left in their best positions too. Kolo could be a contender but he is no specialist and Razak is probably a better bet anyway. De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez - signing any of those boys would really make a difference IMO.

 

[Andouble]

We must graciously disagree Dax. Zaba, for all his many qualities, is no de Jong clone. Barry is another excellent player whose strengths do not include the speed and tackling ability required, similarly Milner. Savic & Wabara are promising young CBs, not what you need for an injured de Jong in a CL tie and I'm afraid Vinnie & Jolo really should be left in their best positions too. Kolo could be a contender but he is no specialist and Razak is probably a better bet anyway. De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez - signing any of those boys would really make a difference IMO.

Understand what you're saying, but someone like De Jong is one of the top 10 players in the world at his position; you can't bring in a 'De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez' type just in case De Jong picks up a knock. Those players would start in 99% of every other team in the world.

 

[RandyBlue]

We must graciously disagree Dax. Zaba, for all his many qualities, is no de Jong clone. Barry is another excellent player whose strengths do not include the speed and tackling ability required, similarly Milner. Savic & Wabara are promising young CBs, not what you need for an injured de Jong in a CL tie and I'm afraid Vinnie & Jolo really should be left in their best positions too. Kolo could be a contender but he is no specialist and Razak is probably a better bet anyway. De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez - signing any of those boys would really make a difference IMO.

Understand what you're saying, but someone like De Jong is one of the top 10 players in the world at his position; you can't bring in a 'De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez' type just in case De Jong picks up a knock. Those players would start in 99% of every other team in the world.

Granted. Nonetheless we do need better quality back-up for that position. And that is, I imagine, the remaining business that will be done, loan or otherwise

 

[LoveCity]

Mohammed Abu is supposed to be a De Jong clone who gets forward a bit more but no chance of him this season, he's back in Norway on loan and doesn't have a work permit yet. I don't know who we could get as a backup for De Jong at this point without spending money.

Who could we get on loan? Gago would be the best option but Madrid probably want to sell him. Diarra is another and his move to Spurs seems to be off but again after all their investment Real probably want money for him. Palacios is unwanted at Spurs with Sandro's breakthrough, is he good enough for a 1-year loan to backup De Jong?

 

[Firthy]

Gago on loan a real possibility. Fallen out with Madrid after saying they were inferior to Barca. Bobby is an admirer and tried to sign him around the time we signed Viera.

 

[Dax777]

we have de Jong & Yaya for defensive midfielders - Barry & Milner and the rest just aren't and Yaya is better deployed further forward. So that leaves de Jong - our only DM specialist - that is why Bob wants another. Seems reasonable to me, problem is fitting him in the CL squad.

Again, the answer to your question (or claim as it isnot a question) lies in teh claim. Even if you suppose Barry is not a DM *which he is* That still leaves you with Yaya (who you agree is or can be a DM), and while you may even be right he is better deployed higher, doesn;t the purchase of Nasri alleviate the need to play him higher in the games we might not have De Jong? I believe it does. As surely Nasri too can be effective higher. And we haven't even broached the topic of Zabaletta yet. Who in reality is one of the closest things to a De Jong backup clone anywhere. ANd then there is Wabara and Milner who can also cameo there. And if we are feeling really funky, Komps himself is a solid DM whoo can seat ahead of Savic/Kolo/Lescott. Whichever 2 starts.

Like I keep saying, there is no real need. Just unnecessary wants!

We must graciously disagree Dax. Zaba, for all his many qualities, is no de Jong clone. Barry is another excellent player whose strengths do not include the speed and tackling ability required, similarly Milner. Savic & Wabara are promising young CBs, not what you need for an injured de Jong in a CL tie and I'm afraid Vinnie & Jolo really should be left in their best positions too. Kolo could be a contender but he is no specialist and Razak is probably a better bet anyway. De Rossi, Fellaini, M'Vila, Diarra, Sissoko, Martinez - signing any of those boys would really make a difference IMO.

I know many ignore this fact, but De Jong is not faster than Barry. They are both slow chuggers. Yes he is a better tackler, but Yaya is a better passer, it doesn't mean Yaya's backup has to be as good at passing. Everyone brings unique qualities to the table. De Jong brings hard tackling, so does Zaba (which is what makes him clonish). Now I gave the examples of Savic, Wabara, Komps e.t.c. in extreme situations. The truth is De Jong will probably not be an automatic shirt in the starting 11, which would soon negate this belief that he needs a backup.

De Rossi is as good if not overall better than De Jong. He is not gonna come seat on the bench behind a DM, especially when he is unlikely to get games anywhere else. Generally, one ard tackling DM is all you need. Gattuso has no backup, neither does Masherano. Mata of fact few teams have hard tackling DMs and the ones that do often have just one good one.

If De Jong goes down, Yaya will be first choice for the position simply because we have a beffy of offensive players who can play higher up the field. Matter of fact, I'd be surprised if Yaya is not slowly withdrawn from that high up position. By December I don't expect him getting much time that far up. Why? SIlva, Nasri, Balo, AJ, Milner, Dzeko, Aguero Tevez. We have too many attacking players who can do it.

Anyway, this might be all mute, coz I think Mancini just agreed with me on his co-interview with Nasri that he was set!

 

[Easybeatz]

i'd rather give Razak a chance than sign Gago tbh

 

[Dax777]

Mohammed Abu is supposed to be a De Jong clone who gets forward a bit more but no chance of him this season, he's back in Norway on loan and doesn't have a work permit yet. I don't know who we could get as a backup for De Jong at this point without spending money.

Who could we get on loan? Gago would be the best option but Madrid probably want to sell him. Diarra is another and his move to Spurs seems to be off but again after all their investment Real probably want money for him. Palacios is unwanted at Spurs with Sandro's breakthrough, is he good enough for a 1-year loan to backup De Jong?

Gago is less of a De Jong clone than say Zabaletta. He is more like Barry. So certainly he is not the guy. Diarra wants to stay at Madrid. But all those problems aside, De Jong doesn't need a backup.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Good call lovecity on Wilson palacious,would fit the bill perfect.