Isco

[Tbilisi]

Eastlander wrote:
I posted this on another thread, but it sits in this one better.

Assuming Mangala is done, Garcia & Guidetti out, this leave us with the 17 for the league being -

W Caballero
B Sagna
P Zabaleta
M Demechelis
V Kompany
E Mangala
A Kolarov
Fernando
Fernandinho
Y Toure
J Navas
S Nasri
D Silva
S Jovetic
S Aguero
E Dzeko
A Negredo

Who makes way for Isco ?

I personally would not like to lose any of the above for Isco.

Seems we have four options.

Option A

If we can't sell or loan any of the so called deadwood, players will need to be told they will only be considered for domestic cup competitions (Garcia,) where there is no limit on squad players.

Option B

Players told they will only be permitted to play in either Champions league or Premier League but not both

Negredo (Injured and out for a couple of months but will return in time for some of group games but will be included in prem games from( Jan 2015) if this not done then
Demichelis (Considered for premier league but not Champions League given will have just returned from WC duty, allows Mangala to get feet under table) can find a new club in January 2015.
Cabellero ( Could be told not playing CL until Jan 2015 his spot will be given to EDS under 21 keeper instead, but will come into the squad in January if MDM leaves)


Option c

A combination of A and B above using January window to get rid if they don't take the hint this summer - really getting nasty but this will have to be done

Option D

Isco joins on basis will only be playing Prem League and Domestic cups or CL and domestic cups and not both.

Just a thought, as he's only just 22, where does that place him in the A list B list for European competition? I know Nasti is considered A list yet. Isco wouldn't be 23 till near end of season? What's the cut off date?

Wheres Clichy?

 

[pudge]

Seems we have four options.

Option A

If we can't sell or loan any of the so called deadwood, players will need to be told they will only be considered for domestic cup competitions (Garcia,) where there is no limit on squad players.

Option B

Players told they will only be permitted to play in either Champions league or Premier League but not both

Negredo (Injured and out for a couple of months but will return in time for some of group games but will be included in prem games from( Jan 2015) if this not done then
Demichelis (Considered for premier league but not Champions League given will have just returned from WC duty, allows Mangala to get feet under table) can find a new club in January 2015.
Cabellero ( Could be told not playing CL until Jan 2015 his spot will be given to EDS under 21 keeper instead, but will come into the squad in January if MDM leaves)


Option c

A combination of A and B above using January window to get rid if they don't take the hint this summer - really getting nasty but this will have to be done

Option D

Isco joins on basis will only be playing Prem League and Domestic cups or CL and domestic cups and not both.

Just a thought, as he's only just 22, where does that place him in the A list B list for European competition? I know Nasti is considered A list yet. Isco wouldn't be 23 till near end of season? What's the cut off date?

Wheres Clichy?

in America

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

I'm sure when the club want to announce something it will be uploaded on the official website.

And then taken off again ;)

 

[Rammyblues]

Clichy isn't a foreign player came out of Arsenals academy.

 

[david whites spike]

I'm sure when the club want to announce something it will be uploaded on the official website.

Yes of course but this guy is a must.
He is of the silva nasri ilk who we haven't got cover for at the moment and could also back up the main striker.

He's not a main striker ...

Read back......never said he was.
He can play behind the striker or come of the inside wing ala silva.
Therefore back up THE main striker ie. aguero dzeko jovetic negredo although one of them would have to be sacrificed for CPL squad.(my choice would be negredo)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Eastlander wrote:
I posted this on another thread, but it sits in this one better.

Assuming Mangala is done, Garcia & Guidetti out, this leave us with the 17 for the league being -

W Caballero
B Sagna
P Zabaleta
M Demechelis
V Kompany
E Mangala
A Kolarov
Fernando
Fernandinho
Y Toure
J Navas
S Nasri
D Silva
S Jovetic
S Aguero
E Dzeko
A Negredo

Who makes way for Isco ?

I personally would not like to lose any of the above for Isco.

Seems we have four options.

Option A

If we can't sell or loan any of the so called deadwood, players will need to be told they will only be considered for domestic cup competitions (Garcia,) where there is no limit on squad players.

Option B

Players told they will only be permitted to play in either Champions league or Premier League but not both

Negredo (Injured and out for a couple of months but will return in time for some of group games but will be included in prem games from( Jan 2015) if this not done then
Demichelis (Considered for premier league but not Champions League given will have just returned from WC duty, allows Mangala to get feet under table) can find a new club in January 2015.
Cabellero ( Could be told not playing CL until Jan 2015 his spot will be given to EDS under 21 keeper instead, but will come into the squad in January if MDM leaves)


Option c

A combination of A and B above using January window to get rid if they don't take the hint this summer - really getting nasty but this will have to be done

Option D

Isco joins on basis will only be playing Prem League and Domestic cups or CL and domestic cups and not both.

Thanks for this thoughtful post. This is exactly the reason I don't think Isco is coming -- all of these options limit our flexibility and seem unpalatable. My perception has been that the only way Isco works is if we move Jovetic. Better in my view to hope Isco stays at RM but still wants to come in 2015 when we'll have more player and financial flexibility. He might want to join even more if he's shunted aside again at RM (though I recognize that was in part because of the system they used last season).

 

[david whites spike]

In favour of who? where would we find better quality prepared to battle it out alongside Jovetic and Aguero?

I don't mean we should just get rid,my point is that if world class players like isco become available then we should go for it and replace current players that aren't up to the standard of 'world class'.

Are you sure that Isco is ready for the "world class" moniker? Having world class potential is not the same as actually being world class.

I honestly think he is mate at such a young inexperienced age......seen a lot of him and he will flourish in our system.
Perfect fit and let's be honest at the moment nasri and silva are our preferred choice of personnel.this guy is just as good and the rotation of those three would only help us long term.

 

[Tbilisi]

Just a thought, as he's only just 22, where does that place him in the A list B list for European competition? I know Nasti is considered A list yet. Isco wouldn't be 23 till near end of season? What's the cut off date?

Wheres Clichy?

in America

Youll be saying he played right back next

 

[adrianr]

I posted this on another thread, but it sits in this one better.

Assuming Mangala is done, Garcia & Guidetti out, this leave us with the 17 for the league being -

W Caballero
B Sagna
P Zabaleta
M Demechelis
V Kompany
E Mangala
A Kolarov
Fernando
Fernandinho
Y Toure
J Navas
S Nasri
D Silva
S Jovetic
S Aguero
E Dzeko
A Negredo

Who makes way for Isco ?

I personally would not like to lose any of the above for Isco.

Nor me. As far as I'm concerned we bought Jovetic instead. We need to be focusing on home grown players anyway.

 

[lancs blue]

Eastlander wrote:
I posted this on another thread, but it sits in this one better.

Assuming Mangala is done, Garcia & Guidetti out, this leave us with the 17 for the league being -

W Caballero
B Sagna
P Zabaleta
M Demechelis
V Kompany
E Mangala
A Kolarov
Fernando
Fernandinho
Y Toure
J Navas
S Nasri
D Silva
S Jovetic
S Aguero
E Dzeko
A Negredo

Who makes way for Isco ?

I personally would not like to lose any of the above for Isco.

Seems we have four options.

Option A

If we can't sell or loan any of the so called deadwood, players will need to be told they will only be considered for domestic cup competitions (Garcia,) where there is no limit on squad players.

Option B

Players told they will only be permitted to play in either Champions league or Premier League but not both

Negredo (Injured and out for a couple of months but will return in time for some of group games but will be included in prem games from( Jan 2015) if this not done then
Demichelis (Considered for premier league but not Champions League given will have just returned from WC duty, allows Mangala to get feet under table) can find a new club in January 2015.
Cabellero ( Could be told not playing CL until Jan 2015 his spot will be given to EDS under 21 keeper instead, but will come into the squad in January if MDM leaves)


Option c

A combination of A and B above using January window to get rid if they don't take the hint this summer - really getting nasty but this will have to be done

Option D

Isco joins on basis will only be playing Prem League and Domestic cups or CL and domestic cups and not both.

Just a thought, as he's only just 22, where does that place him in the A list B list for European competition? I know Nasti is considered A list yet. Isco wouldn't be 23 till near end of season? What's the cut off date?

It's irrelevant for Isco, B list players have to have been at the club for at least 2 seasons.

 

[sam-caddick]

Does anybody think with Mangala coming in Demichelis may be looked to be moved on.

We promote Rekik in his place giving us him and Nastasic as back up.

Demichelis going with Garcia would free up a place for Isco.

 

[david whites spike]

Does anybody think with Mangala coming in Demichelis may be looked to be moved on.

We promote Rekik in his place giving us him and Nastasic as back up.

Demichelis going with Garcia would free up a place for Isco.

Mangala will be replacing and upgrading lescott.
Got a feeling rekik will be given chance this year in the cup games but nastasic will be moved on to serie a or (hope not) arsenal.

 

[Rammyblues]

I reckon, Nastisic will stay this year our problems over him will be next year, MDM only has a year left but did so bloody well at end of last year and could be needed until Christmas just to make sure Magala has his feet firmly under table. MDM leaves in Jan window, Negredo for me would be the casualty for prem league out for at least two months that is end of sept, with a month of training back for October, can then use him in CL games and COC games till December and take over from MDMs spot in the prem league, llowing Rekik then to stake his place fully in the side. Rekik to assume Nastisic's place next summer if he fails to impress this year. As for Garcia would only use him in domestic cup games .

Of course I am just guessing at the above but that is what I would consider if we were to get Isco.

At least the balance of the squad is not put out of kilter too much.

 

[david whites spike]

Hart
Zabaleta. Kompany mangala
Clichy(away)
Kolarov (home)

Yaya. Fernandinho

Nasri. Isco. Silva

Sergio

Of course there's room!!!!

 

[Uncle Clockwise]

Hart
Zabaleta. Kompany mangala
Clichy(away)
Kolarov (home)

Yaya. Fernandinho

Nasri. Isco. Silva

Sergio

Of course there's room!!!!

I always love how fans assume all the so called best players must start each game TOGETHER. Each of our better players have been injured each season for the last three seasons, because we can't afford not to play them. We need quality in depth! Not just for eleven starters.

 

[david whites spike]

Hart
Zabaleta. Kompany mangala
Clichy(away)
Kolarov (home)

Yaya. Fernandinho

Nasri. Isco. Silva

Sergio

Of course there's room!!!!

I always love how fans assume all the so called best players must start each game TOGETHER. Each of our better players have been injured each season for the last three seasons, because we can't afford not to play them. We need quality in depth! Not just for eleven starters.

So if we get isco then that leaves us with jovetic negredo dzeko Milner navas Fernando Rodwell and Garcia not in the starting 11 and you're worried about quality in depth??

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

This transfer saga just wont end lol

 

[Larry Stranger]

Does anybody think with Mangala coming in Demichelis may be looked to be moved on.

We promote Rekik in his place giving us him and Nastasic as back up.

Demichelis going with Garcia would free up a place for Isco.

I think Demichelis is valuable in that Pellegrini trusts him to organize the back line. If Kompany were to get injured again I'd be kind of frightened of a Mangala, Nastasic pairing. Both are quality, but since Mangala is new and both are young I don't know if they can play the offside trap and be organized back there.

The way I see it is that if we get Isco the 2 guys out for the PL would be Jovetic and Garcia either sold or on loan. Isco and Jovetic are similar and both can play in the midfield or as the 2nd striker. I think we can still keep Nastasic in as he would count as U21.

For the CL in additon to Jovetic and Garcia I would take out Nastasic if he does count as foreign and also Caballero. We would just have to hope Hart can make it through all CL games.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

Hart
Zabaleta. Kompany mangala
Clichy(away)
Kolarov (home)

Yaya. Fernandinho

Nasri. Isco. Silva

Sergio

Of course there's room!!!!

I always love how fans assume all the so called best players must start each game TOGETHER. Each of our better players have been injured each season for the last three seasons, because we can't afford not to play them. We need quality in depth! Not just for eleven starters.

So if we get isco then that leaves us with jovetic negredo dzeko Milner navas Fernando Rodwell and Garcia not in the starting 11 and you're worried about quality in depth??

quote: kolorov home and clichy away i agree with also id go for zabba home and sagna away for his crossing abilty and aguero home dzeko away to score of sagnas crosses .we need to rotate to prevent injuries.

 

[Uncle Clockwise]

Hart
Zabaleta. Kompany mangala
Clichy(away
Kolarov (home)

Yaya. Fernandinho

Nasri. Isco. Silva

Sergio

Of course there's room!!!!

I always love how fans assume all the so called best players must start each game TOGETHER. Each of our better players have been injured each season for the last three seasons, because we can't afford not to play them. We need quality in depth! Not just for eleven starters.

So if we get isco then that leaves us with jovetic negredo dzeko Milner navas Fernando Rodwell and Garcia not in the starting 11 and you're worried about quality in depth??

I'm worried about what losing silva or nasri for 6 months might do to our creativity. I don't think 3 ball players are too many to accomodate in a squad. How the fat is trimmed to accommodate them is up to the boys who are paid to make those decisions. Besides, I wasn't having a chip at you, but we as fans all try to squeeze 22 into 11, when 11 players will never make through a season.