Islamic State kills Another US hostage

[BlueBearBoots]

I'm sorry, but you don't go off to fight and then decide you want to leave when the going gets tough, this isn't forced conscription, they chose to go, they should accept the consequences.

Besides, it was more than just IS who were murdering families, cutting foetuses out of women's wombs and generally being c**ts in Syria well over a year ago in the name of the rebels. The truth was there, the warnings about what these people would do if they got a foothold were there and yet the West still wanted to support them.

If you apply that logic to all people fighting for someone other than the official forces of their nation - including Gurkhas, fair enough.

Doesn't strike me as sensible to exacerbate a conflict by refusing to allow people back who signed up for a different war than they ended up fighting. If people want to abandon Jihad, they should be encouraged, not pushed back into it by lack of options.

No, I'm not going to accept people who have been associated with multiple atrocities against civilians coming home and not facing the consequences of their actions, especially when they'll get back on the street and start trying to recruit youngsters to go and do the dirty work they evidently didn't have the balls to meet their fate over.

This is what worries me should they be allowed to return.

 

[Skashion]

so you don't think people who have been implicated in, or associated with (actively), groups that have committed atrocities against civilians should be punished?

So you think it's a good idea to force people into fighting when they no longer want to?

By this same logic we should forgive all crimes. It's not like the nicked a 2p chew and promise not to do it again. They chose to abandon their country to fight as terrorists for and in another state!

I'm pretty sure you were one of the people who wanted Assad gone weren't you.

 

[CTID1988]

Is it IS, ISIL or ISIS? These fuckers have more names than Prince

 

[Gelsons Dad]

So you think it's a good idea to force people into fighting when they no longer want to?

By this same logic we should forgive all crimes. It's not like the nicked a 2p chew and promise not to do it again. They chose to abandon their country to fight as terrorists for and in another state!

I'm pretty sure you were one of the people who wanted Assad gone weren't you.

And still am. By legitimate international pressure. Not freelance mercenary wannabe terrorists pretending to be fighting for god. And the idea that these scumbags were acting with any legitimacy in Syria is a nonsense.

 

[Skashion]

Is it IS, ISIL or ISIS? These fuckers have more names than Prince

It will be the Jihadists formerly known as IS soon.

 

[Skashion]

And still am. By legitimate international pressure. Not freelance mercenary wannabe terrorists pretending to be fighting for god. And the idea that these scumbags were acting with any legitimacy in Syria is a nonsense.

As I said to JMW earlier, as long as you apply that logic i.e. that no-one should fight for anyone other than the official armed forces of their country, equally, I don't have a problem with that argument per se. I just don't agree with it. The great George Orwell fought against the Communists and fascists in Spain. History shows him to be correct. You and JMW would have imprisoned him.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

OK, I have a different opinion.

so you don't think people who have been implicated in, or associated with (actively), groups that have committed atrocities against civilians should be punished?

So you think it's a good idea to force people into fighting when they no longer want to?

They can stay or they can come home and face the consequences for any crimes they've been associated with during their time away.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

And still am. By legitimate international pressure. Not freelance mercenary wannabe terrorists pretending to be fighting for god. And the idea that these scumbags were acting with any legitimacy in Syria is a nonsense.

As I said to JMW earlier, as long as you apply that logic i.e. that no-one should fight for anyone other than the official armed forces of their country, equally, I don't have a problem with that argument per se. I just don't agree with it. The great George Orwell fought against the Communists and fascists in Spain. History shows him to be correct. You and JMW would have imprisoned him.

no, we may have crossed wires, I understand fully that whilst I don't like it (not one for violent measures), there is a understandable reason for an uprising and those who specifically fight against oppressive government forces, and who are not at all associated with the many rebel groups, even pre-this IS situation, who have committed atrocities against civilians, is something rather different. Maybe (though I think I was) I wasn't clear about seperating army from civilians, but I have been "trying" to make that distinction, and have referred to crimes against civilians in several posts.

 

[Cheesy]

If you apply that logic to all people fighting for someone other than the official forces of their nation - including Gurkhas, fair enough.

Doesn't strike me as sensible to exacerbate a conflict by refusing to allow people back who signed up for a different war than they ended up fighting. If people want to abandon Jihad, they should be encouraged, not pushed back into it by lack of options.

No, I'm not going to accept people who have been associated with multiple atrocities against civilians coming home and not facing the consequences of their actions, especially when they'll get back on the street and start trying to recruit youngsters to go and do the dirty work they evidently didn't have the balls to meet their fate over.

Like the army?

Here we fucking go.....

 

[Skashion]

no, we may have crossed wires, I understand fully that whilst I don't like it (not one for violent measures), there is a understandable reason for an uprising and those who specifically fight against oppressive government forces, and who are not at all associated with the many rebel groups, even pre-this IS situation, who have committed atrocities against civilians, is something rather different. Maybe (though I think I was) I wasn't clear about seperating army from civilians, but I have been "trying" to make that distinction, and have referred to crimes against civilians in several posts.

You're full of shit then, you don't know what crimes these men have committed, if any. Men are held accountable for their own individual crimes, not simply being part of a group that committed crimes. Not that you even know what group they fought with. They might be a moderate FSA grouping for all you know.