Islamic State kills Another US hostage

[W12]

Maybe they will claim to have been on a computer course.

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.sky.com/story/1297319/two-britons-admit-syria-terror-offences" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://news.sky.com/story/1297319/two-b ... r-offences</a>

Heard that one before.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

then you're equally as full of shit, as you don't know either, yet want to allow them to come back without any recourse. If they want to come back, they can present themselves at the border and be questioned and scrutinised for what exactly they were up to. If they pass clean, they can go, if they don't, then they face the courts. Also, in this country, people are jailed for crimes they were complicit in or associated with, see:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/shorty-mchugh-murder-five-liverpool-7359203" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... ol-7359203</a>

So being actively associated with a group whilst they committed crimes against civilians could well be seen as something worth prosecuting. So no, I'm not full of shit, I think I've been perfectly reasonable. If they are simply allowed back through the border any of them (or none of them) could reasonably be assumed to pose a threat to society, so it is not unreasonable that if they want to return, they should go through thorough questioning and protective measures because of the sensitivity of what they've been involved with, and if they've done nothing wrong, and have nothing to hide, they can go home. Now that, despite what you want to protest, is not "full of shit", and neither am I.

This last paragraph is interesting, do you mean crimes committed whilst they were present on the scene as part of a group, or crimes committed on the other side of the conflict region which they had minimum information about such events passed to them? They may even have joined up with one of the more moderate groups and become disillusioned with the conflict when the more extreme groups like ISIS came to the fore.

Should the entire US Army have been held account for the My Lai massacre?

It's mainly a UK only law and goes back some 250-300 years. However, its only been enforced in courts more recently and was re-introduced to combat the amount of kids/gangs on the streets

Thank you for explaining that to me, Professor. I wasn't previously aware of the doctrine of joint enterprise having studied law at degree level. Although we weren't really discussing that were we? JMW used that as a morally analogous example and as a rationale for his opinion to the situation we are discussing in this thread and I was completely aware of that the whole time. You have clarified nothing, what we were discussing had no practical relation to the criminal law doctrine you are referring to but thanks for the attempt.

 

[shadygiz]

This last paragraph is interesting, do you mean crimes committed whilst they were present on the scene as part of a group, or crimes committed on the other side of the conflict region which they had minimum information about such events passed to them? They may even have joined up with one of the more moderate groups and become disillusioned with the conflict when the more extreme groups like ISIS came to the fore.

Should the entire US Army have been held account for the My Lai massacre?

It's mainly a UK only law and goes back some 250-300 years. However, its only been enforced in courts more recently and was re-introduced to combat the amount of kids/gangs on the streets

Thank you for explaining that to me, Professor. I wasn't previously aware of the doctrine of joint enterprise having studied law at degree level. Although we weren't really discussing that were we? JMW used that as a morally analogous example and as a rationale for his opinion to the situation we are discussing in this thread and I was completely aware of that the whole time. You have clarified nothing, what we were discussing had no practical relation to the criminal law doctrine you are referring to but thanks for the attempt.

Why be all obnoxious and bombastic in your comments. I swear, some people on here are just grade A cocks.

For the record, i'm a master (m.eng), not a professor ;)

I'm also a bachelor (b.eng) too...who'd O' th'owt it

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

you stated that you have a different opinion to me when I said that people who have been associated with atrocities against civilians should face the consequences of their actions. So you are, and I think it's fair to interpret that in this way, suggesting that they should be allowed back regardless of what they've done, and not face punishment.

Thus, if you accept the above, you are doing the same thing that you accuse me of (factually incorrectly as I clarified my stance in my 2nd post and have been consistent with it) just from the opposite point of view, making assumptions about who these people are and making a judgment on what should happen to them.

I haven't changed my tune, just expanded and clarified it, as it was clear my original post wasn't clear enough, i have been consistent throughout otherwise. I have referred to the civilian aspect ever since my clarification, and to RFK, I did state "actively" in a previous post regarding the civilian aspect, which at least to me means direct association and involvement.

So not necessarily present on the scene then thank you for clarifying that, well "sort of" anyway.

"direct association and involvement", but if you and Skash want to continue telling me what I've said, rather than respond to what I've actually said, then suit yourselves, I won't be engaging further.

You have been ambiguous throughout, perhaps that is the problem, from where I am it looks like you made it up as you went along. I was wondering how strictly you wanted to apply that, because from where I am sitting there is still some ambiguity in those words. If you could produce some examples of what you mean by that term the discussion could move further, some examples which aren't would also be helpful as well.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Thank you for explaining that to me, Professor. I wasn't previously aware of the doctrine of joint enterprise having studied law at degree level. Although we weren't really discussing that were we? JMW used that as a morally analogous example and as a rationale for his opinion to the situation we are discussing in this thread and I was completely aware of that the whole time. You have clarified nothing, what we were discussing had no practical relation to the criminal law doctrine you are referring to but thanks for the attempt.

Why be all obnoxious and bombastic in your comments. I swear, some people on here are just grade A cocks.

For the record, i'm a master (m.eng), not a professor ;)

I'm also a bachelor (b.eng) too...who'd O' th'owt it

Because your post was completely irrelevant and unnecessary and you quoted me and were lecturing me. It is the internet and so a more confrontational style is permitted. And finally because it is open season on mods' mistakes.

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed that spot of legislation. Could you direct me to the source?

 

[Crab Paste!]

Why be all obnoxious and bombastic in your comments. I swear, some people on here are just grade A cocks.

For the record, i'm a master (m.eng), not a professor ;)

I'm also a bachelor (b.eng) too...who'd O' th'owt it

Because your post was completely irrelevant and unnecessary and you quoted me and were lecturing me. It is the internet and so a more confrontational style is permitted. And finally because it is open season on mods' mistakes.

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed that spot of legislation. Could you direct me to the source?

It's here.

http://www.abroadintheyard.com/wp-content/uploads/v-sign-300x298.jpg

 

[oakiecokie]

Well it looks as though the shit has hit the fan good and proper now :

IS Leader's Top Aide 'Killed In Iraq Airstrike'

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A senior aide of Islamic State (IS) leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has reportedly been killed in an airstrike in Iraq.

"Iraqi warplanes carried out a security operation today, resulting in the killing of ... Abu Hajar al-Suri," General Babaker Zebari said.

The attacks in Nineveh province were "based on accurate intelligence information" and the target was destroyed, the army officer added.

Suri's death has not been independently confirmed, which could be difficult as the strikes were in an area, between the second city of Mosul and Tal Afar, outside government control.

Two other senior members of the jihadist movement were also killed - an explosives operative and the military leader of Tal Afar - according to reports.

IS-led militants launched a major offensive in June, taking over Mosul and then sweeping through much of the country's Sunni Arab heartland in the north.

The group also holds significant territory in neighbouring Syria, and has declared a cross-border Islamic "caliphate" in which it has carried out several atrocities.

IS, also known as ISIS and ISIL, has beheaded two American hostages - journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff - and has threatened to take the life of British captive David Haines.

The group said the killings were in retaliation for US airstrikes against IS targets in Iraq.

The strikes have helped Iraqi and Kurdish forces retake the important Mosul Dam, which controls much of the country's water supplies.

A months-long IS siege of the town of Amerli, where thousands of residents had been trapped by the jihadists, has also been broken.

 

[Balti]

Well it looks as though the shit has hit the fan good and proper now :

IS Leader's Top Aide 'Killed In Iraq Airstrike'

e-mail

A senior aide of Islamic State (IS) leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has reportedly been killed in an airstrike in Iraq.

"Iraqi warplanes carried out a security operation today, resulting in the killing of ... Abu Hajar al-Suri," General Babaker Zebari said.

The attacks in Nineveh province were "based on accurate intelligence information" and the target was destroyed, the army officer added.

Suri's death has not been independently confirmed, which could be difficult as the strikes were in an area, between the second city of Mosul and Tal Afar, outside government control.

Two other senior members of the jihadist movement were also killed - an explosives operative and the military leader of Tal Afar - according to reports.

IS-led militants launched a major offensive in June, taking over Mosul and then sweeping through much of the country's Sunni Arab heartland in the north.

The group also holds significant territory in neighbouring Syria, and has declared a cross-border Islamic "caliphate" in which it has carried out several atrocities.

IS, also known as ISIS and ISIL, has beheaded two American hostages - journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff - and has threatened to take the life of British captive David Haines.

The group said the killings were in retaliation for US airstrikes against IS targets in Iraq.

The strikes have helped Iraqi and Kurdish forces retake the important Mosul Dam, which controls much of the country's water supplies.

A months-long IS siege of the town of Amerli, where thousands of residents had been trapped by the jihadists, has also been broken.

Al Kebab won't be happy

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Why be all obnoxious and bombastic in your comments. I swear, some people on here are just grade A cocks.

For the record, i'm a master (m.eng), not a professor ;)

I'm also a bachelor (b.eng) too...who'd O' th'owt it

Because your post was completely irrelevant and unnecessary and you quoted me and were lecturing me. It is the internet and so a more confrontational style is permitted. And finally because it is open season on mods' mistakes.

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed that spot of legislation. Could you direct me to the source?

Fair enough, you can have that one as a quip if that is what it is. If you think that isn't the case even on here then give your head a wobble. Do think the way people talk to each other (such as Pam, DD, FI, i.e. unpunished belittling and downspeak) would ever be acceptable in most real life situations? I haven't ever been banned, and only ever received one warning whilst consistently posting in the same style for much of my time here. And there are examples of moderators that do far worse than me so you may also want to consider that fact.

 

[oakiecokie]

Its about time Popcorn Cat made an appearance on this thread !!