Israel-Palestine Conflict
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Probably thinks he’s in Newcastle, although thinking about it, he won’t have heard of Newcastle either.
Bigga
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Thanks for responding and not taking it personal.
I just wish I had the 'hopium' everyone else is smoking. I've seen this all before and I've studied the actions of politicians at the very top, especially the 'Well Meaning Liberal' politician that El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz spoke of and Martin Luther King got to know at a personal level.
So, why play to the crowd with the no-show for Netanyahu speech and, yet, greet him for talks afterwards? Not meeting would have sent a much more powerful message, but she co-signed the $Bns of military aid a couple of weeks after.
Wordplay is such a fantastic tool that allows open interpretation and can play like it moves towards a positive goal without doing anything. It's like the much promising "access to" [healthcare, in this case]. This just meant if you had even a dollar, this was on a 'pathway to affording healthcare'! So when Harris is stating she wants a ceasefire and a release of Hamas hostages and she purposely leaves out Israel's unlawful imprisonment of children [a basic no-brainer to talk about] knowing that talks are unlikely to be successful.
And when Hamas do not release their captives on a demand, it does this knowing Israel have no intention of being good faithed to do the same with their prisoners. The circular logic for Israel being that Hamas won't release the hostages, so will not have good faithed talks.
Just an opinion.
Gremlin
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What this doesn't say is how many votes she will lose from pro-Israel voters if she adopts the same policy. And that is the tightrope that she and Biden are walking at the moment. I'm sure someone in the DNC is crunching the numbers.
grunge
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This. she may gain a lot but she will lose as many if not more from the bible belt areas etc. Its why Trump is campaiging on full support of Israel to get those voters.
I agree with your assessment. To be honest I have little faith in our leadership in the US or UK. I don’t see anyone on the wings or horizon who would be able to meet the moment that this point in time requires. My hopium hedges more on the activists, human rights organizations, and a younger generation that has shown that they have little room for the BS being propagated by the MSM. For now we watch in horror sadly…
mancity2012_eamo
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I recognise in a lot of your posts, a truth I certainly wouldn’t deny looking from the outside into America.
I do however always feel that you slant things as a justification for your anti-Biden/Harris/Democrats feelings.
These may also be well founded, but looking objectively from the outside, as I say, I can’t help feel that your criticism are basically of a system that will remain the same no matter who’s in. And in America your choice is GOP or Dem. That’s Trump or Harris. For me, although I don’t get a vote, that’s a no-brainer.
And regarding American foreign policy, like I said earlier, I doubt Trump could find Gaza on a map, but I couldn’t see the Republicans doing anything other than what the present government are doing regarding Israel.
In short, I think you are dead right in what you are saying about current American foreign policy and it is as hypocritical as it always has been, but in the current climate of an election coming up I think the outcome of either getting in, is just two cheeks of the same arse.
If I was in a position to vote, it wouldn’t be a reason for me to vote for Trump over Harris.
I support our own governments stance on Palestine. In Ireland perhaps, we see such similarities to partition on this island and the trouble it caused because of how it was managed or governed. Lessons should be learnt both by our allies such as Britain and America and France perhaps, but also worldwide and by the Israeli people themselves. I suppose that all depends on what each actually wants rather than what they know is right.
Ireland recognises the State of Palestine
Palestine, State of Palestine, Ireland recognises Palestine
www.gov.ie
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Do you think recognition of Palestine by European allies is possible and helpful?I recognise in a lot of your posts, a truth I certainly wouldn’t deny looking from the outside into America.
I do however always feel that you slant things as a justification for your anti-Biden/Harris/Democrats feelings.
These may also be well founded, but looking objectively from the outside, as I say, I can’t help feel that your criticism are basically of a system that will remain the same no matter who’s in. And in America your choice is GOP or Dem. That’s Trump or Harris. For me, although I don’t get a vote, that’s a no-brainer.
And regarding American foreign policy, like I said earlier, I doubt Trump could find Gaza on a map, but I couldn’t see the Republicans doing anything other than what the present government are doing regarding Israel.
In short, I think you are dead right in what you are saying about current American foreign policy and it is as hypocritical as it always has been, but in the current climate of an election coming up I think the outcome of either getting in, is just two cheeks of the same arse.
If I was in a position to vote, it wouldn’t be a reason for me to vote for Trump over Harris.
I support our own governments stance on Palestine. In Ireland perhaps, we see such similarities to partition on this island and the trouble it caused because of how it was managed or governed. Lessons should be learnt both by our allies such as Britain and America and France perhaps, but also worldwide and by the Israeli people themselves. I suppose that all depends on what each actually wants rather than what they know is right.
Ireland recognises the State of Palestine
Palestine, State of Palestine, Ireland recognises Palestine