It’s Quiet 20 - What is the Wirtz that could happen?

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decmancity said:
It's his fault team mates don't finish the chances?
Right.

I can find them if you need them but your saying he did fuck all during the treble. Which is bollocks.
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he got 7 assists and 5 goals in his best season with us (Prem) - and thats his best season ever.....

Sterling for instance got crucified by many and in his worst season he scored 10 goals (2016/17)

I also never said he did fuck all....I said he wasnt anywhere near the most influential player in that season...Ive said he creates. very little and scores very little
 
FromPollockToSilva said:
Anyone who makes 50 appearances in all comps in a season that the club wins the fucking Treble contributed. Absolutely insane to suggest otherwise
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yes he contributed...but that wasnt the point...peoples saying he was influential...im saying others were way more important and influential that him..infact at least 7-8 others who regularly played
 
simon23 said:
he got 7 assists and 5 goals in his best season with us (Prem) - and thats his best season ever.....

Sterling for instance got crucified by many and in his worst season he scored 10 goals (2016/17)

I also never said he did fuck all....I said he wasnt anywhere near the most influential player in that season...Ive said he creates. very little and scores very little
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Tbh couldn't care less what his stats are, more than played his part in the unprecedented success in the last 5 years.

Grealish never scored a ton or assisted a ton. Sterling did, so when Sterlings stats fall through the floor it's understandable people ask why.
Whether that's right or wrong is a different debate.

You can say what you want but the stats say your wrong he created the most in the toughest cup competition in the world that we ended up winning. Setting a record.
Why are you still fighting this, you are wrong.
 
simon23 said:
he got 7 assists and 5 goals in his best season with us (Prem) - and thats his best season ever.....

Sterling for instance got crucified by many and in his worst season he scored 10 goals (2016/17)

I also never said he did fuck all....I said he wasnt anywhere near the most influential player in that season...Ive said he creates. very little and scores very little
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But he didn’t create very little, did he? He created the most chances in the CL across all players that season

He also created the second most chances (and big chances) in the PL for us that season, behind De Bruyne. More than Foden, Bernardo, Mahrez et al
 
simon23 said:
yes he contributed...but that wasnt the point...peoples saying he was influential...im saying others were way more important and influential that him..infact at least 7-8 others who regularly played
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Phrase it however you like you’re wrong, and the number of minutes he was selected show you are wrong.
 
decmancity said:
Tbh couldn't care less what his stats are, more than played his part in the unprecedented success in the last 5 years.

Grealish never scored a ton or assisted a ton. Sterling did, so when Sterlings stats fall through the floor it's understandable people ask why.
Whether that's right or wrong is a different debate.

You can say what you want but the stats say your wrong he created the most in the toughest cup competition in the world that we ended up winning. Setting a record.
Why are you still fighting this, you are wrong.
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you say you could care less what his stats are and then in the same post sy the stats showed he created the most....you cant have it both ways

Grealish was in my opinion one of the least important players of that season and other seasons he has been at the club as well. His overall contribution over the seasons he has been here has been average and in most seasons below average..that one season his performances notably improved especially in the second half of that season...but before that and after he has done very little of significance

why am i saying this,,,,to answer that it is purely because I disagree with those who are making him out to be a great player....imho he isnt even close to being one of our greats....not even close....
 
simon23 said:
you say you could care less what his stats are and then in the same post sy the stats showed he created the most....you cant have it both ways

Grealish was in my opinion one of the least important players of that season and other seasons he has been at the club as well. His overall contribution over the seasons he has been here has been average and in most seasons below average..that one season his performances notably improved especially in the second half of that season...but before that and after he has done very little of significance

why am i saying this,,,,to answer that it is purely because I disagree with those who are making him out to be a great player....imho he isnt even close to being one of our greats....not even close....
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I don't care what his stats are but when your posting nonsense that is a lie, then you will get called out for it.

It's simply a fact he created a ton of chances in the season your saying he didn't. I don't know how you can argue with it.

You can have your opinion on him outside of that and his entire City career but the facts are there for that one specific thing that you keep denying.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Absolutely. Ones that create hundreds of pages of debate over.

Was more a suggestion to take the Grealish’s importance to his designated thread and leave this one for transfer chat.
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We need to have replacement of players that similar to Grealish playstyle in summer, i will be pissed if we let him go yet we never have proper replacement for him.

Same as Kyle Walkers, KDB and other core players that need to have proper replacement.
 
Kamaro011 said:
We need to have replacement of players that similar to Grealish playste in summer, i will be pissed if we let him go yet we never have proper replacement for him.

Same as Kyle Walkers, KDB and many players that need to have proper replacement.
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I think the important thing is that we need established wide players that can consistently contribute to us winning games.

Whether that’s a Grealish type or more Mahrez type doesn’t really bother me.

Doku and Savinho are both raw kids that should be back ups to established wingers.
 
decmancity said:
I don't care what his stats are but when your posting nonsense that is a lie, then you will get called out for it.

It's simply a fact he created a ton of chances in the season your saying he didn't. I don't know how you can argue with it.

You can have your opinion on him outside of that and his entire City career but the facts are there for that one specific thing that you keep denying.
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ive never denied it...but Ive not seen the stats

so here you go from the official UEFA website for 22/23 as someone mentioned CL

Season 2022/23 Player stats | UEFA Champions League 2022/23

Visit UEFA.com for comprehensive player, club and competition stats for UEFA Champions League 2022/23 including goals, matches played, and many more.
www.uefa.com www.uefa.com

In one metric Grealish is in the top 5

8th in Key stats
13th in goals
3rd (joint) in attempts on goals
14th in distribution
8th in attacking stats
10th in defending stats

(this is all within the squad btw - not across all players in the competition)

the only other area he is top 5 in is fouls (he is third) committed and suffered (he is no.1 in that last bit)

None of these say he is anywhere near the most important player on the pitch

So no Im not lying about anything....nor more in reality have I made a mistake with what the stats say
 
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Grealish in the treble season was vital, those using stats have failed. Here is what the stats say:

He was 3rd in goal creating actions in all comps and 4th in shot creating actions.1000010313.jpg
He was 2nd in expected assists.
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Its kind of besides the point of the thread, but thought Id just point out how he and the vast majority of the squad were vital to the treble.
 
Kamaro011 said:
We need to have replacement of players that similar to Grealish playstyle in summer, i will be pissed if we let him go yet we never have proper replacement for him.

Same as Kyle Walkers, KDB and other core players that need to have proper replacement.
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Kvara was available in January for around 70m


Right now, I think Kudus should be the alternative.
 
Kamaro011 said:
We need to have replacement of players that similar to Grealish playstyle in summer, i will be pissed if we let him go yet we never have proper replacement for him.

Same as Kyle Walkers, KDB and other core players that need to have proper replacement.
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Why do we need the same PlayStyle? No team is replacing players the same. Sounds to me that the system doesn’t get updated. We’ve seen how zero effective Grealish was over the years
 
We dont necessarily need wide players who can beat a player - we have those in Doku and Sav and Marmoush (if needs be)

What we absolutely need is central midfielders who can create and score....KDB and Gundo are absolutely finished at the top level. Any thoughts about those 2 players in particular playing a central part in our team next season is purely based on their past achievements. If we retain those two players and dont replace them we deserve to be outside the top 6 next season.

How we replace them is of course very difficult but thats what Khaldoon, Viana and Pep get paid the big money for. Wirtz is one of the obvious choices and for me he is the best choice. BUT I also accept that its very unlikely so there has to be a very clear plan B...the lad from Brighton (Baleba) is another one - again exceptionally hard to get I would imagine. I do like Wharton as well bt he is more of a project player - looks good but again hyped up by the media to be better than he is....can he get to the level required, yes but he aint anywhere near it yet.

The other area is right back - Rico aint good enough - pure and simple - he aint got the physicality and that isnt changing anytime. Everyone is desperate for him to succeed but he is a step below where we need him to be. USeful utility player but that is about it.....Cambiaso is a decent shout as he can cover right and left back but I think we alos need to replace Ake and Stones (both have been superb for us but they aint available enough and if they are not on the pitch then they are no use) - We all know Khusonov has been a huge success but Reis and most certainly Bah cannot be considered established first team players who will be consistent enough -yes they both deserve to be potentially around he first team squad but that is it at the moment - therefore we need another defender.
 
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