Because we decided to let Denayer go on loan and keep him here... We also could have bought a defender in January. Like I said shit decisions from those in charge.
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It's not Pellers..It's not even the team..
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Because we decided to let Denayer go on loan and keep him here... We also could have bought a defender in January. Like I said shit decisions from those in charge.
malg
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I've tried hard not to say that because I'll just be called a flapper. But it's not flapping, I genuinely believe that Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester look better than us. Thank fuck Chelsea have dropped so many points. We just need the teams at 5th and below to keep fucking up.Honestly I am just worried about making the CL for next year.... 13 players? OUCH!
My only hope is that the players start to show some get up and go. We need to learn to play without Silva and Yaya, as both are being carried right now - we can't afford that. Ah fuck, I just don't know what's going on........we need to beat Spurs, and the manager should be working his arse off to get a performance out of them.
Danamy
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He wouldn't pick a settled team anyhow, answer me this who played in the fullback positions yesterday? We're sagna and clichy injured? Who decided in a game with quick counter attacking players to play our slowest fullbacks?
Excellent point.
I can see why people are saying this but they'll also be needed next week, Spuds also play with pace, intensity and press high. If Clichy and Sagna don't start next week then i'll be asking questions after being rested this week.
hilts
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So who does he pick?
Yesterday wasnt a case of the odd player being poor and in the wrong position.
It was all 10 outfield players just not putting in the required work both on and off the ball.
442, 4231, 433 i couldnt give a fuck as it would have made not one bit of difference.
There has been occasions where its obvious a change here would have made a difference but the performance yesterday was a car crash and the players have to also take some responsibility.
If you feel otherwise thats fine but i will put my mortgage on it that Pep will not put up with players walking around the pitch, refusing to track runners and standing still with no movement when on the ball.
Check the pre match thread and see how many posters would have played kolorov,mdm,ota and zabba in defence, the whole fucking forum wouldn't have played that back line and I ain't even touching on yaya
hilts
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I can see why people are saying this but they'll also be needed next week, Spuds also play with pace, intensity and press high. If Clichy and Sagna don't start next week then i'll be asking questions after being rested this week.
This is my point fella how would it even be a settled back four if he changes it week in week out to rest players, injuries are a nonsense of an excuse up to this point
yankcitizen76
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What I want to know is why do all the other teams kick us around the pitch. They come in high on challenges and our players (outside of Aguero and a couple others) do absolutely nothing to fight back. Like Yaya with Kone, he basically drop kicked him all over the pitch. Learn to give some of that back.I've tried hard not to say that because I'll just be called a flapper. But it's not flapping, I genuinely believe that Spurs, Arsenal and Leicester look better than us. Thank fuck Chelsea have dropped so many points. We just need the teams at 5th and below to keep fucking up.
My only hope is that the players start to show some get up and go. We need to learn to play without Silva and Yaya, as both are being carried right now - we can't afford that. Ah fuck, I just don't know what's going on........we need to beat Spurs, and the manager should be working his arse off to get a performance out of them.
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You have injuries to key players then you adapt the team.
You play a side who are known to have a very specific and successful game plan then you adapt your gameplan.
You play a 32 year old immobile Toure as part of a midfield 2 and a 34 year old immobile Demichellis as a CB then you adapt you team shape from the normal high defensive line.
You are missing your star striker for weeks and his replacement has none of the skill set that he has then you adapt your team.
It is Pellegrini's refusal to adapt our team in any way which has stifled us. He is 100% to blame for the situation we are in.
You play a side who are known to have a very specific and successful game plan then you adapt your gameplan.
You play a 32 year old immobile Toure as part of a midfield 2 and a 34 year old immobile Demichellis as a CB then you adapt you team shape from the normal high defensive line.
You are missing your star striker for weeks and his replacement has none of the skill set that he has then you adapt your team.
It is Pellegrini's refusal to adapt our team in any way which has stifled us. He is 100% to blame for the situation we are in.
IanBishopsHaircut
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This is my point fella how would it even be a settled back four if he changes it week in week out to rest players, injuries are a nonsense of an excuse up to this point
We have the worst injury record in the league
To call it a nonsense excuse for our erratic form is naive at best
malg
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I don't think we've had that for a while. It does annoy me, as there are times when you need someone to stick in a hard tackle.What I want to know is why do all the other teams kick us around the pitch. They come in high on challenges and our players (outside of Aguero and a couple others) do absolutely nothing to fight back. Like Yaya with Kone, he basically drop kicked him all over the pitch. Learn to give some of that back.
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The injuries are part of the reason, they are not the only reason. There are lots of questions to be asked.
Who thought Bony was good enough for example to be our second striker and that effectively going into a season with two established strikers was a good idea? One of whom was injury prone anyway.
Why haven't we upgraded our left back position in 5 years when it has been clear to all bar a few that this is a problem area for us.
Why did we get a promising defender to sign a 4 year deal and then immediately loan him out when he thought he would be part of the squad?
Why have we allowed ourselves to become so reliant on Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero and have paid little attention to the question "what if they don't deliver or are injured for a prolonged period" -who will step into their shoes? This particularly applies to Silva and Toure.
Why have we not seen any of the younger players tried in the capital one and early rounds of the FA cup to gain experience and therefore have the confidence to come into the side now that we are down to the bare bones and I mean full starts not the 15 minutes Garcia was given at Sunderland or the 23 minutes between them the three youngsters were given at Villa despite us being 4-0 up in both games.
Why doesn't the manager seem to have any other way of playing despite the majority of other managers finding a way to play against us. We are supposed to being seeing entertaining football and that will come at the cost of goals against but all I see is sloppy football all over the pitch in some games.
Why do we start games so poorly and often concede the first goal making the rest of the game an uphill struggle. Since January we have done this in 5 out of the 8 game we have played. Twice conceding in the first 5 minutes.
Why is Toure the captain when Kompany doesn't play?
Why is Toure starting two games in 4 days again when it has been clear all season that it is too much for him?
These are just some of the questions. We lost 4-1 against Liverpool with Aguero, Sterling and De Bruyne in the side. At Spurs we were only really missing Silva and Kompany, same against West Ham and against Stoke We still had Silva, Sterling and De Bruyne playing.
Injuries have certainly made it harder for us but they are not the only reason we have gone backwards.
Who thought Bony was good enough for example to be our second striker and that effectively going into a season with two established strikers was a good idea? One of whom was injury prone anyway.
Why haven't we upgraded our left back position in 5 years when it has been clear to all bar a few that this is a problem area for us.
Why did we get a promising defender to sign a 4 year deal and then immediately loan him out when he thought he would be part of the squad?
Why have we allowed ourselves to become so reliant on Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero and have paid little attention to the question "what if they don't deliver or are injured for a prolonged period" -who will step into their shoes? This particularly applies to Silva and Toure.
Why have we not seen any of the younger players tried in the capital one and early rounds of the FA cup to gain experience and therefore have the confidence to come into the side now that we are down to the bare bones and I mean full starts not the 15 minutes Garcia was given at Sunderland or the 23 minutes between them the three youngsters were given at Villa despite us being 4-0 up in both games.
Why doesn't the manager seem to have any other way of playing despite the majority of other managers finding a way to play against us. We are supposed to being seeing entertaining football and that will come at the cost of goals against but all I see is sloppy football all over the pitch in some games.
Why do we start games so poorly and often concede the first goal making the rest of the game an uphill struggle. Since January we have done this in 5 out of the 8 game we have played. Twice conceding in the first 5 minutes.
Why is Toure the captain when Kompany doesn't play?
Why is Toure starting two games in 4 days again when it has been clear all season that it is too much for him?
These are just some of the questions. We lost 4-1 against Liverpool with Aguero, Sterling and De Bruyne in the side. At Spurs we were only really missing Silva and Kompany, same against West Ham and against Stoke We still had Silva, Sterling and De Bruyne playing.
Injuries have certainly made it harder for us but they are not the only reason we have gone backwards.
hilts
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I disagree. There where no problems when we won the double and there were no problems when we scored a record amount of goals.
Bob gets mentioned because the last 24 hours has seen the usual, it wouldnt have happened under Bob posts when it very clearly did and its why he lost his job.
This manager is gone so chalk that off. Yesterays man and we are getting arguably the best in the world so what do we do for next season?
Did you see 11 players auditioning for him yesterday because i didnt?
What I saw yesterday was a team that didn't have the legs to compete with Leicester, is was the managers job to pick a team that could cope with that or at least play in a way to nullify it, what you don't do is fill the team with slow players, what effort could mdm put in to make himself quicker, or kolorov or toure or zabba
We may have got beat yesterday anyhow but at least give the players a chance, look at those two first goals and ask which players got done and if you would have picked them to start with
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Check the pre match thread and see how many posters would have played kolorov,mdm,ota and zabba in defence, the whole fucking forum wouldn't have played that back line and I ain't even touching on yaya
Can you gaurantee a different outcome?
Would your chosen back 4 have won us the game even if the rest of the team had played as poorly as they did?
Yestersay wasnt about the odd wrong player or frmation, it was about them all just not giving a fuck and virtually strollng the game with no movement onthe ball and certainly nothing off it as part f a team defending as a unit.
Nobody would dispute that injuries have hampered us this season, but the whole point of having a manager is that he can adapt.We have the worst injury record in the league
To call it a nonsense excuse for our erratic form is naive at best
hilts
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We have the worst injury record in the league
To call it a nonsense excuse for our erratic form is naive at best
We have been erratic for 2 years mate who is being naive, our manager that's for sure
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Just ignore my question and go on a rant. It's been nice chatting.
I wouldn't regard a 0-0 as having got it right! It might well have been that a central defender had a better game on the day, a better game than either of them had yesterday, or Vardy and Mahrez had an off day. Too many variables in a game of football to come up with an all-inclusive single reason for something. A 0-0 away to top of the league could have been a good result were it followed up with a couple of decent results which emphasised that Manuel was addressing the main issues that seem apparent to anyone watching the performances. He isn't.
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blueinsa
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Nobody would dispute that injuries have hampered us this season, but the whole point of having a manager is that he can adapt.
The truth is the vast majority of managers dont adapt. They have their way of playing and they stick with it hopeing the players carry it through.
Pep is no different and he will demand his players do as they are asked and if they dont, we will drop points but hoepfully, he will then drop them.
Danamy
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This is my point fella how would it even be a settled back four if he changes it week in week out to rest players, injuries are a nonsense of an excuse up to this point
Because as managers they see a bigger picture, what's to come, priorities, what players are needed and when.
I'm in agreement with everyone that Sagna, Clichy and i'd even put Humphries in front of Demi to be honest but I also see why he can't play them in "every" game whilst we've got the injury issues we've got.
We look at it from our point of view, put yourself in his position fighting on all four fronts, you simply can't play the same back four every week.
Just to add to that when we didn't have the injuries at the start of the season and wasn't fighting in four competitions at once it showed what we can do getting 5 clean sheets back to back with Mangala & Kompany playing together, our two longest and biggest loses of the season.
The whole point of this thread is to suggest if we didn't have the injuries then we wouldn't be in the position we are now and that is correct, to suggest otherwise I find insane.
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blueinsa
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We have been erratic for 2 years mate who is being naive, our manager that's for sure
Erratic is Chelsea of late or the Rags and even Liverpool.
As a club we have been anything but erratic.
Dissapointing by our own high standards yes but not erratic.
Bill
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Absolutely on the money.It's the ridiculous injuries that have potentially derailed our season
Never known anything like it
If we had a full strength squad we would be breezing this league
We have constantly had either injuries or players coming back from injury
So much so that we have barely had a settled first 11 since the beginning of the season
Look at Leicester yesterday..they played like a team..a consistent one who have been fortunate not to have any long term set backs on the physio table..coupled with the fact they are not fighting on all fronts for trophies..fit..rested and hungry for it..it doesn't matter how many world class individuals you have in your team..if there is no consistency you will lose as often as you win
It's the elephant in the room that nobody is seemingly acknowledging
We have been desperately unlucky with injury this season
BillyShears
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We have the worst injury record in the league
To call it a nonsense excuse for our erratic form is naive at best
Bang on mate. Bottom line is whatever mistakes Pellegrini has made, and he's made plenty, we would still probably be 10/12 points better off without the insane injury records of Silva, Vinny, and Kun alone, never mind all the injuries around those two we have suffered.