It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

[simon23]

It's both.

Doesnt Maddison play quite a bit off the left hand side......??? What happens to Grealish in that case...

IS Maddison seriously good enough...decent but strikes me again as another overrated English player.

 

[simon23]

We won't today. Leeds would take him back.

Happily drive him back there if his injury record continues as it is

 

[simon23]

Only if Jude goes stitches us up.

Please tell me that Declan Rice is not our plan B for Bellingham...good god!

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Probably won't sign a new deal but Leicester can still hold for money and there bound to be a couple more team as well as us and Newcastle.

Doesn't matter who's in for him if he only wants City. If he was courting other clubs we would walk away, that's how we operate.

 

[JewelZee]

'Entitlement' seems to the new buzzword for some 'the club can do no wrong' types.

And comparing us to the club we were in the 20th century is just plain daft.

As an elite club,one of the very best in the world,its not unreasonable to expect our club to have its shit together where squad deficiencies and transfers are concerned.

Our left back situation should not have deteriorated to the level it currently is,and we should be looking to bring in the best replacement midfielders available when ours succumb to advancing years,that has fuck all to do with entitlement,its who we now are.

How the fuck is asking for a competent, professional LB to add some depth and cover being entitled? That's this City, an elite, big money, successful team loaded with world class players and one of, if not, the top manager in the game. City is not the little engine that could or some romantic underdog. They are a soccer juggernaut in modern times consistently looking to expand their global brand. That's not my opinion, it's the club's stated mission under this ownership. That's the reality of who we have become. Those of you who don't realize that are living in some other time. They don't piss away seasons under any circumstances. We're 5 points back with 2 head to head games remaining, game in hand to Arsenal, in the CL knockouts, and in the FA Cup last 16 with a trip to Bristol City on deck and people are on here talking about "the Summer". Seriously? I'm not entitled, but I'm not delusional enough to think this City are a club that would be happy giving it the old college try. Supporters have every right to want the club to do whatever it can to succeed in the now without being called out as being entitled. The hunger to be the best, fans included, is part of what makes elite clubs elite. And by elite that includes winning a shit ton...and then winning a shit ton more...the current season included.

 

[simon23]

Kevin Gundo Rodri Silva Silva to Phillips and Maddison is big drop in quality tbf

Fuckin right it is!

 

[simon23]

I get it, you don't like him.

Pep does, and he's not doing a bad job of this managing lark.

There are very few people like Kev, so we need to temper our expectations on a like-for-like.

its not about like for like in terms of style, its about like for like in terms of level...

We seem to be aiming low with recent and future purchases and for some reason seem to focus on overrated English talent
Maddison is decent but will never have the ceiling of any of our current players.....same as Grealish wont
Rice is a level or two below them
Im still undecided on Bellingham - not sure if thats cause the hype is so riduculous around him that I dont belive he could possibly be that good but still could be very good or Im missing something with him.....

This level of player is not fit to lace the boots of the like of David Silva, KDB Ferna etc when in their prime...and never will be

Like someone else said its a big step down from these to whatwe have had in terms of level.

Other clubs are finding players like Brighton have yet we seem to have switched tact a little and are going for the media driven hypes of Grealish and Bellingham (maybe the hype about him will be real I just cant decide on him)....

 

[simon23]

Many thought Grealish was going to be the game changer for us, then Phillips was going to be a masterstroke of a signing. Is Maddison now going to be the catalyst for the champions league...

Mediocre English players are just that.

Not pleased with our recruitment recently. Haaland and Alverez aside, the rest of the players are far too slow and not at the level we need.

Spot on

 

[simon23]

Grealish has been great recently and will only improve. He’s even said himself he’s gone from having a free role to Pep giving him strict instructions and he’s struggled with it. I respect his honesty, not many players would admit that. I don't see how he can be dropped at present yet some still insist on giving him a hard time. The guy can’t win.

He hasnt been great recently..he has been better than the absolute mediocrity (and sometimes absolutely anonymous) he has served up since he first arrived..he has improved no doubt but. long long way to go

 

[simon23]

I just think Pep likes working with home grown talent. His Bayern eleven had a German core as well I think.

German home grown talent is better the English Homegrown talent however which is a major flaw if thats his thinking

 

[Dialog]

Our squad has become weaker over the last two windows IMO despite signing a world class striker

Agree on walker
Phillips need to step up big time.
Grealish...again needs to step up another level..even as he us performing better he still ain't close to tip level...I woujdnt normally question pep ever but on this I do....nothing more than an average player at present and I don't think his ceiling is that much higher.
Gundo is running out of legs as is kdb

If we sign Maddison, we will get weaker. In a season or two we will look like a proper mid-table team if we keep signing average players like this. Haaland by that time will want out. [Do not get me wrong, Maddison is mint for a mid-table team not City level].

We clearly have fallen. From having Merlin, Bernado, Gundo, Fernandinho to Having Philips and Maddison as our engine!

City's recruitment is suspect now of late apart from Alvarez and Haaland.

City should go FIFA mode on this league. Chelsea are running rampant. Why should we not.
Lets go for Khavicha as a KDB[KDB is looking like his at the twilight of his symphony] replacement and understudy, he can play as CM and LW interchangeably.
Jude as our Bernado replacement
Davies or Theo as our first choice LB not Gomez, Antonee or Grimaldo or Sosa
Leao or Diaby as LW[Fast and technically gifted wingers]

 

[blueparrot]

its not about like for like in terms of style, its about like for like in terms of level...

We seem to be aiming low with recent and future purchases and for some reason seem to focus on overrated English talent
Maddison is decent but will never have the ceiling of any of our current players.....same as Grealish wont
Rice is a level or two below them
Im still undecided on Bellingham - not sure if thats cause the hype is so riduculous around him that I dont belive he could possibly be that good but still could be very good or Im missing something with him.....

This level of player is not fit to lace the boots of the like of David Silva, KDB Ferna etc when in their prime...and never will be

Like someone else said its a big step down from these to whatwe have had in terms of level.

Other clubs are finding players like Brighton have yet we seem to have switched tact a little and are going for the media driven hypes of Grealish and Bellingham (maybe the hype about him will be real I just cant decide on him)....

Ask yourself why would we do that, why would the same recruitment team and coaches that built those great teams suddenly not be able to recognise talent. If you can’t think of a reason, maybe just maybe you aren’t seeing what they can see. Either that or they have all had a bang on the head and don’t understand football anymore.

 

[blueparrot]

German home grown talent is better the English Homegrown talent however which is a major flaw if thats his thinking

Hardly, have you seen Germany play recently.

 

[Gumzy97]

Maddison got 12 goals 8 assists last season from midfield. Jack's article said Pep wants to add goals and lesson the load on Haaland.

Maddison fits that player Pep wants, 12 goals last season, 7 goals this season he's a goal threat and finisher.

He's doing that in a below average Leicester team that haven't been good for a while

 

[JewelZee]

Quote me if you’re going to pick my comments lol. I never said we were the same club, I hinted the ownership was different in that we didn’t buy players and won fuck all. We are now one of the best in the world yet some just want more… it’s a game where 22 blokes kick a ball full of air around, it’s not a life or death situation. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Ok we may not win a trophy one season, so what? We go again the next season. The “best replacement” isn’t always the best player and thats where many get entitled and throw toys out the pram, “I want X” or “we have to buy Y” that’s not how a successful business is run and the guy who owns us isn’t all that bad at business as an FYI. He’s not daft and has the right people in charge who HE trusts, he doesn’t care what you or me think as we are not on his level of understanding the business.
After all the years of shit we have had as a club, only City fans could moan about us now. It’s laughable, it genuinely is laughable but not surprising.

That's simply too black and white. There are many shades of gray. Wanting the club to replace an elite player who has fallen way out of form and in turn become a huge distraction to the manager to the extent that he was basically banished overnight doesn't come close to my definition of moaning or being entitled. In fact, I would bet any fan base in the world would expect the same especially with a team that has all to play for like ours. Every time someone raises a concern or has the temerity to "ask" the club to do something many on here feel the need to tell them they aren't Pep which is insulting, condescending, and far too over simplistic. So now its "You're not as successful in business as an Arab sheikh". What does that even mean in the context of supporters wishes for the team? What is your opinion? Could we use someone to replace Cancelo? Or do you abide by whatever the club decides is best period? Just asking...

 

[Alexia_Ko]

If we sign Maddison, we will get weaker. In a season or two we will look like a proper mid-table team if we keep signing average players like this. Haaland by that time will want out. [Do not get me wrong, Maddison is mint for a mid-table team not City level].

City should go FIFA mode on this league. Chelsea are running rampant. Why should we not.
Lets go for Khavicha as a KDB replacement and understudy, he can play as CM and LW interchangeably.
Jude as our Bernado replacement
Davies or Theo as our LB not Gomez, Antonee or Grimaldo or Sosa
Leao or Diaby as LW[Fast and technically gifted wingers]

Good midfielders are hard to find these days

 

[simon23]

Hardly, have you seen Germany play recently.

but with the generatio that Pep had there which is what was being talked about

 

[Gumzy97]

German home grown talent is better the English Homegrown talent however which is a major flaw if thats his thinking

In the past yea, not now England has got a amazing talent pool to pull from. Just you've got a non tactical manager.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Maddison got 12 goals 8 assists last season from midfield. Jack's article said Pep wants to add goals and lesson the load on Haaland.

Maddison fits that player Pep wants, 12 goals last season, 7 goals this season he's a goal threat and finisher.

He definitely has way better end product than Jack but I'd be wary of thinking the numbers he gets for Leicester are automatically transferrable to us.

He is heavily relied upon for Leicester in that regard and he wouldn't be coming straight into that kind of role. It's something Mahrez and more recently Grealish struggled with when they joined us. Our pond has some pretty big fish.

 

[blueparrot]

but with the generatio that Pep had there which is what was being talked about

Yes and we have some very good English players now. England just doesn’t have the coach. Do you think Pep and Txiki, suddenly can’t see and recognise talented players that have the abilities they are looking for anymore ?