It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

[kun]

If I understand correctly then that’s 1-1 as only the percentages make sense since Cuc played more games than Zin so of course he had more opportunities. To stand a chance of a direct comparison the first thing you need is to show each stat per 90 minutes played.

fbref is a serious site and would give you better indications. Squawka is just a bit of fun.

https://fbref.com/en/

Thanks for the reference site.

It’s a double edged sword. It’s far harder to create 1.3 chances per 90 for 35 games than 1.4 chances per 90 for 15 games.

 

[Kilman]

Reckon Barca might come for Silva after selling de jong?

 

[Cobwebcat]

Thanks for the reference site.

It’s a double edged sword. It’s far harder to create 1.3 chances per 90 for 35 games than 1.4 chances per 90 for 15 games.

No it’s not, it’s the same. It’s an average per 90 minutes.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

Reckon Barca might come for Silva after selling de jong?

No.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No it isn’t wrong. Maybe Zinchenko created 0.1 more chances per 90 but his minutes are tiny by comparison. Cucurella created more chances than Cancelo and makes more successful efforts crosses Robertson last season. Sustaining it over 35 games is far more impressive than Zinchenko’s stats.

Zinchenko is an excellent player though. A very good alp rounder. Zinchenko doesn’t have the range of chance creation. Cucurella is obviously an excellent crosser (Zinchenko is not) but additionally covers more ground than Zinchenko (cant say this for sure as I can’t find any stats on their distance covered, the eye test is what tells me this) and has a similarly good passing range.

Cucurella should be an upgrade both offensively and defensively than Zinchenko. Although it may take him a year to settle and catch up as Zinchenko is very well established in and suited to City’s system.

It is wrong on chances created per minute.

Maybe you think Steffan is a better keeper than Ederson as he conceded fewer goals last season?

We can’t ascertain whether he has better stamina, it’s just a hunch at the moment.

Zinchenko is undoubtedly a far better progressive passer than Cucurella and 99% of other left backs.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Reckon Barca might come for Silva after selling de jong?

They have to sell him first. United and Barca can jabber all they want.

 

[AirbagsOptionalTheReturn]

Comments like this are why people should watch football instead of reading statistics they apparently don't even understand.

Beat me to it, our Dave is the barometer I always use, he never got the headlines goals and assists, but if there was a stat for the pass that made the assist he would have been streets ahead of anyone else. By watching a player you can see how good they are, a player may have freaky stats (good or bad) but they should not be used in isolation.

 

[WallyA]

If I understand correctly then that’s 1-1 as only the percentages make sense since Cuc played more games than Zin so of course he had more opportunities. To stand a chance of a direct comparison the first thing you need is to show each stat per 90 minutes played.

fbref is a serious site and would give you better indications. Squawka is just a bit of fun.

https://fbref.com/en/

Yes, at the very least can people stop being stupid when comparing players?

Stop using total minutes when one player played 3x the league minutes, do people not realize how misleading this is?

I've already mentioned this in the Zinchenko performance thread, he is an ABSOLUTE JUGGERNAUT in our attack as a leftback. Basically Trent level, but where Trent is more direct and it's translates directly into assists, Zinchenko plays left back as if he's David Silva and is very influential in the pre assist.

Everyone should go to fbref and look at GCA/90 for our club (I posted this in zinny thread) and you'll have way more appreciation and realization for what he does hopefully.

I still want Cucurella as he will play left back in a slightly more defensive manner and is slightly quicker, but he is a worse passer and less intelligent on the ball than Zinchenko (only because Zinny iq on the ball is super high)

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

It is wrong on chances created per minute.

Maybe you think Steffan is a better keeper than Ederson as he conceded fewer goals last season?

We can’t ascertain whether he has better stamina, it’s just a hunch at the moment.

Zinchenko is undoubtedly a far better progressive passer than Cucurella and 99% of other left backs.

Well - yes, of course he is.

He’s naturally a midfielder, so you’d expect him to be.

Problem is he’s not all that great at defending. He’s ok - but not good enough for a team of our aspirations.

I suspect we’re looking for a player with better balance - someone who’s very good at both - and we’re willing to sacrifice a bit of the attacking threat we get with Zin for a much more solid defender.

 

[samuelyeboah]

It is wrong on chances created per minute.

Maybe you think Steffan is a better keeper than Ederson as he conceded fewer goals last season?

We can’t ascertain whether he has better stamina, it’s just a hunch at the moment.

Zinchenko is undoubtedly a far better progressive passer than Cucurella and 99% of other left backs.

this line of argument actually goes against what you are saying. if Steffen had conceded fewer goals per 90 than ederson would that make him a better GK than ederson?