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It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread
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kun
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I hate headlines like this.
“The minimum amount Brighton would accept”
As if after this knowledge becomes known, someone would still pay over £50m.
Teams either name their price or say “not for sale”.
You are misunderstanding me mate. I don't advocate getting rid of him and I do rate him as a back up and a very useful one. By "long haul" I mean he isn't a long term first choice left back, I don't think that's in dispute.
I guess I misunderstood then. A fair bit of flippant dismissing of a lot of our players, so I maybe went there too soon in my response.
I think he stays whether or not Cucurella or another LB arrives, and will be in Pep's plans as a known and dependable quantity, in whatever capacity that is. And will have a big but not always appreciated contribution to our success, yet again.
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Hmm, there isn’t much in the crosses created, 37 plays 42. (using 15:35 game ratio)
We also had no one to cross the ball too.
Zinchenko averaged more forward passes per game too and far more passes completed in the opposition half.
Edit. If using minutes played, the ratio would be 2.96:1 and so Zinchenko is better than Cucrella in all those stats barring not picking out nobody with his crosses.
They signed him for £16m. Demanding >£50m 1 year later is obscene but its well within their rightsWalker was doing it at the top for for 3/4 years and England when we paid that fee. Cuckoo it’s his first real season at this level. 35 million plus add on to 45 would be a good deal for all around but Bloom will hold out for more
But if thats their stance and always has been we wouldnt be at this stage. We’d have had rumours of moving on
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A is wrong, based on last season’s stats.off the top of my head
a. He creates more chances
b. he's faster
c. has better stamina, so runs up and down the pitch more often
B is true
C How are you deciding that?
Cobwebcat
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If I understand correctly then that’s 1-1 as only the percentages make sense since Cuc played more games than Zin so of course he had more opportunities. To stand a chance of a direct comparison the first thing you need is to show each stat per 90 minutes played.
fbref is a serious site and would give you better indications. Squawka is just a bit of fun.
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That Walker wouldn’t command the same fee in the current market. He’d be £65m+Walker was doing it at the top for for 3/4 years and England when we paid that fee. Cuckoo it’s his first real season at this level. 35 million plus add on to 45 would be a good deal for all around but Bloom will hold out for more
kun
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Hmm, there isn’t much in the crosses created, 37 plays 42. (using 15:35 game ratio)
We also had no one to cross the ball too.
Zinchenko averaged more forward passes per game too and far more passes completed in the opposition half.
Edit. If using minutes played, the ratio would be 2.96:1 and so Zinchenko is better than Cucrella in all those stats barring not picking out nobody with his crosses.
No it isn’t wrong. Maybe Zinchenko created 0.1 more chances per 90 but his minutes are tiny by comparison. Cucurella created more chances than Cancelo and makes more successful efforts crosses Robertson last season. Sustaining it over 35 games is far more impressive than Zinchenko’s stats.A is wrong, based on last season’s stats.
B is true
C How are you deciding that?
Zinchenko is an excellent player though. A very good alp rounder. Zinchenko doesn’t have the range of chance creation. Cucurella is obviously an excellent crosser (Zinchenko is not) but additionally covers more ground than Zinchenko (cant say this for sure as I can’t find any stats on their distance covered, the eye test is what tells me this) and has a similarly good passing range.
Cucurella should be an upgrade both offensively and defensively than Zinchenko. Although it may take him a year to settle and catch up as Zinchenko is very well established in and suited to City’s system.