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Withnail said:
Have you seen him play for Girona? I have not seen much of him in La Liga, but by all accounts he has done well for Girona last season and if he were to get a Visa I am sure Pep would include him in the squad.
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Should class as U21 for one more season if he does get a permit so at least wouldn't take a up a squad place
 
daveyboybluemoon said:
Should class as U21 for one more season if he does get a permit so at least wouldn't take a up a squad place
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Thats not how it works. If he was able to play here last season by virtue of being U21 why would Pep have been whining in the press about him not getting a work permit?

If its the same as chumps league the u21 rule only counts if you've been at the club for at least two seasons.
 
shak said:
Thats not how it works. If he was able to play here last season by virtue of being U21 why would Pep have been whining in the press about him not getting a work permit?

If its the same as chumps league the u21 rule only counts if you've been at the club for at least two seasons.
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It's not the same as the CL, in the Premier League "An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences."

There's no minimum amount of time at the club.
 
domalino said:
It's not the same as the CL, in the Premier League "An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences."

There's no minimum amount of time at the club.
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Fair enough. Remains irrelevant though as he will not be getting a work permit for a very long time.
 
shak said:
Fair enough. Remains irrelevant though as he will not be getting a work permit for a very long time.
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I agree. But seems the club are willing to try, so they must think he can add something to the current team over the next season. Note they are not trying the 'caps for brazil' route, but the 'exceptional talent' category, and with him winning the player of the tournament award, and having featured more for Girona, i can see the logic in it. Will it be enough? not in my opinion, but lets wait and see.

I see Philippe Sandler is being linked with a season long loan to Anderlecht. He was probably unlikely to get a squad foreign place anyway, so a good move for him. That brings us down to full quota, assuming mangala won't feature, till someone either leaves or comes in?
 
shak said:
Done well for a team that got relegated from Spain ≠ playing in the greatest team in premier league history though does it?

Pep wanted to include him last summer because we literally had no one else as back up to Dinho, so why not try him out in a few cup games? Nothing to lose. Not because he thinks he'll immediately start ripping up trees.
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Tbf though, he was our better players during last pre-season I thought....
 
shak said:
Done well for a team that got relegated from Spain ≠ playing in the greatest team in premier league history though does it?

Pep wanted to include him last summer because we literally had no one else as back up to Dinho, so why not try him out in a few cup games? Nothing to lose. Not because he thinks he'll immediately start ripping up trees.
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Who said anything about ripping up trees, Pep has seen something in Luiz, however, whether he gets a Visa is another matter
 
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r.soleofsalford said:
WHINING ?
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Yes whining, thought it was a bit pathetic really. He said how can someone who does not see him play football, does not see him train etc see if he is good enough. That has literally fuck all to do with it. The Home Office makes decisions based on tangible indicators like international caps. Not stuff that can't be measured like 'he is well good at football' because that would be a stupid policy and open to criticism / accusations of bias. The exceptional talent rule might be a bit more nebulous a concept but still requires actual evidence as it should, otherwise every club in the land could get work permits for every player just by deciding they were pretty good. Whether that system is right or wrong is irrelevant, it is fair and applies to every single team in the country - and frankly are far nicer to young footballers than other young foreign men coming here for a job.

The fact of the matter is Douglas Luiz could walk on water and score 90 yard headers, if he doesn't meet their criteria he isn't going to get a permit and Pep moaning about "the system" in press conferences is beneath him and the kind of thing managers like Mourinho do.
 
shak said:
Yes whining, thought it was a bit pathetic really. He said how can someone who does not see him play football, does not see him train etc see if he is good enough. That has literally fuck all to do with it. The Home Office makes decisions based on tangible indicators like international caps. Not stuff that can't be measured like 'he is well good at football' because that would be a stupid policy and open to criticism / accusations of bias. The exceptional talent rule might be a bit more nebulous a concept but still requires actual evidence as it should, otherwise every club in the land could get work permits for every player just by deciding they were pretty good. Whether that system is right or wrong is irrelevant, it is fair and applies to every single team in the country - and frankly are far nicer to young footballers than other young foreign men coming here for a job.

The fact of the matter is Douglas Luiz could walk on water and score 90 yard headers, if he doesn't meet their criteria he isn't going to get a permit and Pep moaning about "the system" in press conferences is beneath him and the kind of thing managers like Mourinho do.
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Well, maybe Pep didn't admit the gamble for Luiz's Brazil caps went down the drain
after best friend Txiki asked Pep to publically blame Home Office instead - hoping nerds like you wouldn't figure out the red herring... ;-)
 
shak said:
Yes whining, thought it was a bit pathetic really. He said how can someone who does not see him play football, does not see him train etc see if he is good enough. That has literally fuck all to do with it. The Home Office makes decisions based on tangible indicators like international caps. Not stuff that can't be measured like 'he is well good at football' because that would be a stupid policy and open to criticism / accusations of bias. The exceptional talent rule might be a bit more nebulous a concept but still requires actual evidence as it should, otherwise every club in the land could get work permits for every player just by deciding they were pretty good. Whether that system is right or wrong is irrelevant, it is fair and applies to every single team in the country - and frankly are far nicer to young footballers than other young foreign men coming here for a job.

The fact of the matter is Douglas Luiz could walk on water and score 90 yard headers, if he doesn't meet their criteria he isn't going to get a permit and Pep moaning about "the system" in press conferences is beneath him and the kind of thing managers like Mourinho do.
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Rags hace got loads of players through without any work permit issues
 
shak said:
The fact of the matter is Douglas Luiz could walk on water and score 90 yard headers, if he doesn't meet their criteria he isn't going to get a permit and Pep moaning about "the system" in press conferences is beneath him and the kind of thing managers like Mourinho do.
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This is mostly true, except there is actually is a subjective review if the player doesn't qualify based on the objective criteria. The standard is very high but thats why the club had Tite write a letter endorsing him, got Guardiola involved, and presumable produced whatever else they thought might help. It certainly seems like we miscalculated in any case.
 
How we could have done with Douglas Luiz last season especially as respite for Fernandinho. I liked what I saw of Luiz last summer, so here's hoping we can sort his work permit issue, so he can spend a season shadowing Fernandinho alongside Rodri.
 
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