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[citizens_1976]

He is indeed, however, again we ignore what is right between our eyes....

I know people underrate Jesus but fuck me!

Well time will tell, but I'm of the opinion that he isn't anywhere near good enough to step into Aguero's shoes. Don't really care whether he's 22, Aguero was a much more productive player at 17 than Jesus is at 22.

It's all well and good giving Jesus the main striking role but there are no guarantees there, that's all I'm saying. With Aguero, Kane, Ronaldo, Lewandowski and Mbappe there are definitely guarantees that those strikers will score goals week in week out.

I hope to god I'm wrong and everyone who worships Gabriel Jesus on this forum is right, but everyone has opinions- and like John Stones since signing for us he's not improved at all and he's nothing more than a decent squad player covering for first team players.

You can't replace a Ferrari with a Renault Mégane. It doesn't work like that.
It's like replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Michael Owen, and we all know how that ended don't we?

 

[citizens_1976]

Ronaldo has changed the dynamics at Juventus and it certainly isn’t for the better. I work with two match going (when they’re not away for work) Italian Juventus supporters who can’t stand him and the general consensus is that he’s all about himself and ruins the team spirit/morale because it’s 10 players playing for him. So I’d hardly class that as very good, it was visible in their Champions League collapse to Ajax. The contrast between a team fighting for each other and Juventus just playing as individuals, usually you could put that down to the manager but 5 years shows that’s not the case. The owners went above Allegri’s head and that’s why it’s come to him leaving now.

The same things you say about Hazard were said about Pogba, Kante, Coutinho etc. there is no guarantees in football EVER!!

So we’re the best run club in the world, have just won a double followed by a treble (+1), have the majority of our players tied to long term contracts in a sensible wage structure based on rewarding hard work and success AND you want to change it?

Absolutely fucking clueless, genuinely it baffles me how people like you function day to day. It’s like talking to Paul Merson, only he talks more sense, has more financial awareness is probably less intoxicated judging by your posts.

So because two Juventus fans who you work with state that Ronaldo isn't good for the Juventus team you're basing your opinion on that?
A lot of Bayern Munich supporters I've spoken to stated that Pep was a poor manager because he didn't win the Champions League.
I'll go one better and say that a few City fans I used to work with thought David Silva was very overrated and didn't rate him at all.

Football is all about opinions.

Real Madrid won 3 back to back CL's with Ronaldo in their side. So to suggest a team is weaker with Ronaldo in their side is absolutely brainless and controversial. Portugal didn't have a chance of getting to a major Final before Ronaldo came along, and now they've won 2 competitions.
Football is all about trophies and he's the official trophy magnet in Modern Day Football. Wherever he goes trophies follow- now that is a GUARANTEE. He's won more trophies in his career than our club has won in its entire history.

You're probably of the opinion that Messi also isn't a great player because he's never played in the Premier League.

Paul Merson is earning a healthy lifestyle for voicing his opinions so who are you to call him out on that? You're probably under floorboards or sat behind a computer desk pushing keys Monday to Friday.

 

[Parisian]

Has it been posted yet ?

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Well time will tell, but I'm of the opinion that he isn't anywhere near good enough to step into Aguero's shoes. Don't really care whether he's 22, Aguero was a much more productive player at 17 than Jesus is at 22.

It's all well and good giving Jesus the main striking role but there are no guarantees there, that's all I'm saying. With Aguero, Kane, Ronaldo, Lewandowski and Mbappe there are definitely guarantees that those strikers will score goals week in week out.

I hope to god I'm wrong and everyone who worships Gabriel Jesus on this forum is right, but everyone has opinions- and like John Stones since signing for us he's not improved at all and he's nothing more than a decent squad player covering for first team players.

You can't replace a Ferrari with a Renault Mégane. It doesn't work like that.
It's like replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Michael Owen, and we all know how that ended don't we?

So you cut out positive debate by stating ‘you don’t care how old he is’???

The fact of the matter is his stats are superior on every level at the same age, domestically and in Europe...

Just for arguments sake

Aguero 102/235 appearances
Jesus 73/182 appearances

Aguero did that over 7 seasons, Jesus over 5 and predominantly as the second choice striker whilst here..

It astounds me that people can’t see what we have on our hands with him, the debate revolves around loyalty, not the reality, which given the same time as Kun, on that trajectory, he breaks his record.... but hey, he’s shit at offsides so let’s look elsewhere..

 

[SebastianBlue]

Well time will tell, but I'm of the opinion that he isn't anywhere near good enough to step into Aguero's shoes. Don't really care whether he's 22, Aguero was a much more productive player at 17 than Jesus is at 22.

It's all well and good giving Jesus the main striking role but there are no guarantees there, that's all I'm saying. With Aguero, Kane, Ronaldo, Lewandowski and Mbappe there are definitely guarantees that those strikers will score goals week in week out.

I hope to god I'm wrong and everyone who worships Gabriel Jesus on this forum is right, but everyone has opinions- and like John Stones since signing for us he's not improved at all and he's nothing more than a decent squad player covering for first team players.

You can't replace a Ferrari with a Renault Mégane. It doesn't work like that.
It's like replacing Cristiano Ronaldo with Michael Owen, and we all know how that ended don't we?

Not trying to have a go, but here is a basic club production comparison between Aguero at ~17 and Jesus at ~22 (it is difficult to get detailed stats for Aguero playing his last season at Independiente, so this obviously does not take in to account assists and defence contribution).

Keep in mind Sergio was playing in the Argentina Primera Division and Gabby is playing in what is widely considered one of the best leagues in the world (albeit arguably for currently the best team in the world).

Stat - Aguero - Jesus
Appearances - 36 - 29
Goals - 18 - 21
G/App - 0.50 - 0.72

 

[ojeme]

In relation to your reference about Rotherham, I did not think you would take that literally.
Look I ll leave it there as I dont agree with a lot of what's in your post but I guess thats okay, we can disagree.

However, what I will say is that if you think when Pep came we were trying to sign Pogba, your mistaken. Pep was clear within the media when he was winding up the reds last year that Pogba was offered to him through his agent. Pep gave it a thanks but no thanks. City or Pep whilst Pep is in the picture would not go anywhere near Pogba.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ogba-mino-raiola-offer-manchester-united-city

The link says nothing about Pep refusing to sign Pogba whilst he was at Juve before he got to United. That's the period I'm referring to. Pogba was hailed as "the heir to the thone of Yaya" and we were clearly linked to him until we dropped a message to the media that he was too expensive.

My point stands that we badly needed a world class CM at the time and the thought of having Silva and KDB there was ridiculous at the time but now with the aid of hindsight has proven to be a masterstroke.

 

[ctid1894]

So because two Juventus fans who you work with state that Ronaldo isn't good for the Juventus team you're basing your opinion on that?
A lot of Bayern Munich supporters I've spoken to stated that Pep was a poor manager because he didn't win the Champions League.
I'll go one better and say that a few City fans I used to work with thought David Silva was very overrated and didn't rate him at all.

Football is all about opinions.

Real Madrid won 3 back to back CL's with Ronaldo in their side. So to suggest a team is weaker with Ronaldo in their side is absolutely brainless and controversial. Portugal didn't have a chance of getting to a major Final before Ronaldo came along, and now they've won 2 competitions. I'll base my opinions on facts, not theories.

You're probably one of those guys who sits at his computer arguing the fact that Messi isn't a great player because he's never played in the Premier League.

Paul Merson is earning a healthy lifestyle for voicing his opinions so who are you to call him? You're probably under floorboards scratching your arsehole Monday to Friday.

When you trust those people, when those people are sensible and very well balanced in work and life in general and can back up what they say with sound reasoning then yes I am happy to base my opinion on what they say.

Paul Merson would be earning a healthy lifestyle if he didn’t have his demons but he’s essentially bankrupt in all but name. As for my job, I’ve never done a hard days work in my life and my hands are softer than silk thank you.

 

[mosssideblue]

I believe jesus would hit Aguero numbers if he was our main striker playing every week.

I do too

 

[citizens_1976]

When you trust those people, when those people are sensible and very well balanced in work and life in general and can back up what they say with sound reasoning then yes I am happy to base my opinion on what they say.

Paul Merson would be earning a healthy lifestyle if he didn’t have his demons but he’s essentially bankrupt in all but name. As for my job, I’ve never done a hard days work in my life and my hands are softer than silk thank you.

If you don't think Ronaldo would make a difference to any side in the world, this is where the conversation ends...

You do know he is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, don't you?

 

[citizens_1976]

So you cut out positive debate by stating ‘you don’t care how old he is’???

The fact of the matter is his stats are superior on every level at the same age, domestically and in Europe...

Just for arguments sake

Aguero 102/235 appearances
Jesus 73/182 appearances

Aguero did that over 7 seasons, Jesus over 5 and predominantly as the second choice striker whilst here..

It astounds me that people can’t see what we have on our hands with him, the debate revolves around loyalty, not the reality, which given the same time as Kun, on that trajectory, he breaks his record.... but hey, he’s shit at offsides so let’s look elsewhere..

So when I bring Harry Kane's goal record to the table it's not good enough and Son is a better option? I honestly don't think that 45 goals in 99 games in this City side is that good. Put Shaun Goater in there and he'd probably score 60+ and he's nowhere near good enough for this City side.
Jesus plays in statistically the best side ever in the English League. Aguero played in a team going through a transitional period at the start of his City career.

In my opinion Gabriel Jesus lacks the personality to be the number one striker at the Club. I know he's still young but even at 19-22 you can often see in young kids that they have what the top strikers do. Give me another Alan Shearer/Aguero any day over a Jesus. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see it.