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Blue Coop said:
You're a brave man. Some people don't realise confidence is subjective and you'll no doubt be in for it if it doesn't happen!
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I couldn't give a shit, to be frank, bud.

I'm sure City's confidence ebbs and flows on a weekly basis, too.

Difference is, only the people at the very top are in possession of all the true facts.

Everything else is just background noise, even my great tunes ;)
 
peace frog said:
why do fans actually care about how much players cost, we cant make city spend less on players,

city identified a player and get that player for however much he costs , no matter what bluesingh,peacefrog,riot club,ect ect say.

what matters is will that player improve us,if he does the money doent matter,sanchez would be an upgrade on most(attacking) players in the prem
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I care. Perhaps I shouldn't but I don't like paying 2x as much for players compared to Bayern Munich or Barcelona. I don't like spending 10x the amount for the same results as someone else. I think it actually matters. It makes awards and recognition for our players less forthcoming which affects both they value and their confidence on the pitch IMO, and it adds a suffocating pressure to some players which they can't handle. Mangala, for example, is a player who I think would have been incredible at £20m, but the public pressure from both crowds and press about his massive fee got to him, and magnified every mistake.

Some players will cope anyway, but others can have very promising City careers killed by it.

I also think the noveau riche tag which comes with that excess spending effects foreign players perception of us when we come calling for a transfer.



Now don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with spending. I don't care if we spend 300m this summer, I just want it to be at a decent value.

If we spend loads more than anyone else, we should be miles better.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
Even more confident on Sanchez and Mbappe than last week!
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Surly This means sergio or iheanacho are out we cant possibly fit all of Jesus,Sanchez,Mbappe,iheanacho,Sane,Sterling into the squad without some one getting pushed to the bench every other game without waves being made?
 
The Riot Club said:
Chelsea have spent almost as much as us!

And Spurs only balance their books because they manage to get income from player sales, like Chelsea, and unlike we seem to be able to.

But it's all about beating the top 2, and to do that we have to buy players better than the ones they have, or will buy. Otherwise we scrap for 4th with the scousers and rags again. And nobody wants that, least of all Sheikh Mansour's, Khaldoon and Pep.
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Chelsea have spent a lot less than us since the last title win and Spurs have spent a lot less than them.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I'm really struggling to come up with a valuation on Nacho. Surely couldn't be sub 30 mil incl add ons?
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Selling Nacho doesn't make financial sense to me right now because as an asset he's going to be massively undervalued. As Kelechi Iheanacho, occasional supersub for Man City he's not going to be worth more than 10-15m if we get a buyer who sees his potential.

If we secure him a good loan, particularly in the PL though, he could have a season like Lukaku's with West Brom or Everton and legitimately be worth £30m - or even more importantly, he could be worth bringing back in.

There's a lot more to Iheanacho's game then he's really been able to show in the fleeting league appearances he's had.

We saw in some of the cup games last year (against premier league opposition) that there's a real playmaking side to him as well, and when he did get an extended run in the team last season we saw in games like the Southampton one he can put them in from 25 yards if needed.

Selling him now would be like Chelsea selling De Bruyne for £17m in 2014. Seems ok until he's bought for 3x that much a year later.
 
If we buy Sanchez and sell Nolito then that's a massive upgrade. If we buy Sanchez and sell Aguero then have we really improved? Have we gotten any closer to being a world class team? Not significantly because we'll still only have three 20-a-season players (I'm counting Sané and Jesus there).
 
domalino said:
I care. Perhaps I shouldn't but I don't like paying 2x as much for players compared to Bayern Munich or Barcelona. I don't like spending 10x the amount for the same results as someone else.

If we spend loads more than anyone else, we should be miles better.
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I agree to an extent.
Spending poorly,and unnecessarilly,makes us look clueless,unprofesssional and arrogant - it also provides extra ammunition for our numerous detractors,so yes,its definitely an area we can improve on,but,saying that......as long as the right calibre of player does arrive......neither will i be losing any sleep over it.
 
domalino said:
Selling Nacho doesn't make financial sense to me right now because as an asset he's going to be massively undervalued. As Kelechi Iheanacho, occasional supersub for Man City he's not going to be worth more than 10-15m if we get a buyer who sees his potential.

If we secure him a good loan, particularly in the PL though, he could have a season like Lukaku's with West Brom or Everton and legitimately be worth £30m - or, even more importantly, he could be worth bringing back in.
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Unfortunately I just don't think pep rates nacho mate? The fans love him but the manager has to love him as well and I don't think he rates him that highly
 
domalino said:
Selling Nacho doesn't make financial sense to me right now because as an asset he's going to be massively undervalued. As Kelechi Iheanacho, occasional supersub for Man City he's not going to be worth more than 10-15m if we get a buyer who sees his potential.

If we secure him a good loan, particularly in the PL though, he could have a season like Lukaku's with West Brom or Everton and legitimately be worth £30m - or, even more importantly, he could be worth bringing back in.
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It's a tough one and a loan makes sense if he goes to a team that will play to his strengths and not leave him wasting on the bench.
 
FantasyIreland said:
I agree to an extent.
Spending poorly,and unnecessarilly,makes us look clueless,unprofesssional and arrogant - it also provides extra ammunition for our numerous detractors,so yes,its definitely an area we can improve on,but,saying that......as long as the right calibre of player does arrive......neither will i be losing any sleep over it.
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I edited my post to expand on it...I think it has a whole bunch of negative ramifications for the players as well, from not getting the credit and accolades they deserve if they play well, to crushing them if they don't start well.
 
richards30 said:
Unfortunately I just don't think pep rates nacho mate? The fans love him but the manager has to love him as well and I don't think he rates him that highly
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That doesn't matter though, if Pep doesn't like him that's fine, he doesn't have to have him in his squad next year.

It's none of Pep's business what the club does with him outside of that though, whether they sell now for cheap or loan him and sell him for more in 12 months time isn't under Pep's purview.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It's great we're getting those wages off the books, but by and large they're for players with fuck all amortisation on those same books - around 7m between them by my reckoning. So if we're going to go and spend ridiculous amounts on 29 year olds, who presumably will only be getting 2 or 3 year contracts, it'll very quickly cancel out the outgoing wages.
As for the condescending little shit part, why the fuck did you bring up the Sheikh's personal wealth if you had any understanding of FFP or the need to be self sufficient?
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I understand the arguement about the 29 year old. It makes perfect sense. The thing is we're surely unloading aguero. No chance we're going this hard after mbappe and Sanchez if we weren't. We need to have at least one older forward on the front line.

I brought the Sheik up because we're going to get taken to the cleaners ... surely ... for most of our signings unless they start forcing the move.
 
Before folk get overly excited, I think our top 4 place needs to be absolutely cemented before the likes of Mbappe, Bonucci or Fabinho will agree to roll up.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Before folk get overly excited, I think our top 4 place needs to be absolutely cemented before the likes of Mbappe, Bonucci or Fabinho will agree to roll up.
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While it would be a bonus,i dont think it will be the deal busting decision you believe.Players will be attracted by the bigger picture.
 
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