It's Quiet - a new dawn

[Dax777]

I would personally play this, which I think is our strongest and most balanced side (if we sign the players we are supposed to)

Ederson
Walker kompany Otamendi mendy
Dinho
KDB silva
Sane Aguero Sanchez

Subs: bravo, yaya, kolarov, gundogan, B silva, Sterling, Jesus

I'm willing to bet you a hundred pound on behalf of @Tevez City that by December your opinion of who should start at right wing would have changed.

B. Silva would not only start, but by December I guarantee you'd whine if Pep doesn't start him :-)

 

[ojeme]

You've got to adjust your mentality to the big teams mate.

Firstly, the issues at Bayern that you're highlighting right now: guess what, none of those players were crying about anything when Pep was there.

Secondly, Pep has always been able to keep players happy. I don't remember anybody except Zlatan (who was out right frozen out from the squad) complaining about game time. Same with Nolito.

Thirdly, you overestimate the pedigree of Sane, Sterling, Jesus in our team. I fully appreciate that they're top drawer talent, and that compared to the rest of our squad as well as compared to the rest of the PL they look pretty good. But face the fact that these kids would be on the Bench at any of Barca, Bayern, and Madrid.

All those squads rely on world class established players who are the age to deliver consistently, not just world class talents like Sane and Sterling who currently can barely last in top form for more than about half the season.

I feel many City fans still haven't come to terms to the size of our club and the ambitions it has. Most are still insecure about how to keep talent happy.

I've never seen the fans of Barca, Bayern, Madrid worrying about player happiness when linked with a world class established player like Sanchez. The same is needed at our club frankly.

When I first joined the forum I was pretty shocked at the rate at which folks would rather pass up the opportunity to sign a world class player because someone might become unhappy. It felt very wierd then but I guess I'm more used to it now. Lol. I think we need to reevaluate our values and priorities. The reason is it would be a waste of time arguing such matters (signing or not signing a Messi for example) with someone who is fine if we end the season in strong second on the table. I'm sure you understand what I mean.

 

[Blue Coop]

I'm willing to bet you a hundred pound on behalf of @Tevez City that by December your opinion of who should start at right wing would have changed.

B. Silva would not only start, but by December I guarantee you'd whine if Pep doesn't start him :-)

I agree I think people are underestimating the impact that B.Silva will have. Even seen some people putting him on the bench in their line-ups. He will be one of Peps go to players, and a fans favourite by the end of September.

 

[route46]

players who are nailed on too start when fit ........Ederson, Walker, Mendy, Kompany, Silva, Sanchez

Toure, Fernandinho, Kolarov will know they are squad players.

only players who I could see whining if they are not in the starting 11 are Sane, Jesus, De Bruyne, Sterling (sterling being no great loss)

Don't see Aguero kicking up a fuss as he has prob been told give it his all next season and we will let him leave next year for Argentina

 

[adrianr]

IMO this is how we will remain being also-rans. Wrong mentality.

Yup same for me too. Too many summers all I've heard is "Can't have a full squad of superstars", "He's going to surprise some on here", and my favorite "He can do a job". Players like Delph, Nolito, Negredo, Navas, Fernando. Not going to take us anywhere. Few more purchases like Toure, Silva or Aguero? No doubt in my mind we would have won more than we have. You buy the best players you can and let them fight it out for places. If some of them aren't up to that then boo fucking hoo.

 

[Dax777]

I agree I think people are underestimating the impact that B.Silva will have. Even seen some people putting him on the bench in their line-ups. He will be one of Peps go to players, and a fans favourite by the end of September.

Yeah. I don't think our fans get how good of a player he is, talk less of how good of a player he is likely to become.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I'm willing to bet you a hundred pound on behalf of @Tevez City that by December your opinion of who should start at right wing would have changed.

B. Silva would not only start, but by December I guarantee you'd whine if Pep doesn't start him :-)

I think Bernardo will feature in the middle as often, if not moreso, as he will on the right.

 

[Nigel De Shlong]

How many changes did Pep make to the starting 11 last season? (I think it was an average of 3+ players every game?)

We want to WIN all 4 trophies, look at the united game in the league cup last season ! a pathetic effort and out in the fourth round... Imagine if we had the second string of players being touted currently? we'd have steam rolled them with a fresh front 3 ready the premier league that weekend.

 

[GX Blue]

Yeah. I don't think our fans get how good of a player he is, talk less of how good of a player he is likely to become.

Our proper fans should realise as he ran us ragged at the Etihad. Outstanding player and still only 22.
43m is a fantastic deal for him.

 

[ojeme]

I think Bernardo will feature in the middle as often, if not moreso, as he will on the right.

I'll say it again. We've got our new Iniesta in this Bernado lad. I think Sane will feature because he offers something different up top. The person that would have to look over his shoulders is our very own man that plays in the right hand in midfield currently (I feel like I've just sinned; lol). I also think Pep will find a way to balance things like giving KDB a go when Bernado gets tired (he does tire in games probably because of the amount of effort he puts in; hopefully he'd work on overcoming this weakness before the season starts). I also see Pep rotating Sanchez, Sergio and Jesus for 2 roles or if you like Sane, Sergio, Jesus and Sanchez for 3 roles. Can't wait for the new season it's gona be fun!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

players who are nailed on too start when fit ........Ederson, Walker, Mendy, Kompany, Silva, Sanchez

Toure, Fernandinho, Kolarov will know they are squad players.

only players who I could see whining if they are not in the starting 11 are Sane, Jesus, De Bruyne, Sterling (sterling being no great loss)

Don't see Aguero kicking up a fuss as he has prob been told give it his all next season and we will let him leave next year for Argentina

he was one of our best player last season, a young talent swell. he would be a big loss.

 

[Nigel De Shlong]

Ederson/Bravo

Mendy/Bertrand
Van Dijk/Otamendi
Kompany/Stones
Walker/Dani alves

Yaya/Fernandinho
Gundogan/D.Silva
Bernardo/De Bruyne

Sane/Sancho
Jesus/Aguero
Sanchez/Sterling

 

[Tricky_Trev]

I think Bernardo will feature in the middle as often, if not moreso, as he will on the right.

Not with Walker in the team. Bernardo will be on the right, but allowed to move centrally by virtue of Walker providing the width. Same on the other flank with Sanchez and Mendy, should we actually sign them.

 

[Easy]

http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2017/06/03...st-become-an-ocean-of-talent-not-just-a-pool/

A great read especially for all those posters that against signings like Sanchez that will strengthen our squad.

 

[BillyShears]

What did I say that was wrong?

"Massive problem". That's absolute garbage. You really think it's a massive problem for Bayern or Real that they may have two or three upset players in the squad whilst they continue to win everything in sight? The answer simply put is - no. They don't give a fuck. And neither should we. Either have the mentality that you want to be the best possible or be Arsenal and keep some bullshit hierarchy of players who are collectively not good enough whilst pretending you're a 'top' club.

 

[schfc6]

But if they all 'deserve' minutes, they can all play a similar amount, which would add up to plenty of game time each. Imo the problem is those who don't deserve game time but get it anyway.

We have had this for years re using young players in the squad: 'the manager has to keep the senior players happy'. No he doesn't, they can just fuck off, the same as they do from Barca or Real Madrid.

If they can't get in the team due to performance, & are sulking, get rid, sign someone else or promote a kid & so on. Whoever that apllies to. Just replace them.

People seem hung up on this keeping players happy lark.

They'll all get plenty of games, as you say those delivering the most will get the most minutes and those struggling to make an impact will next summer become targets for second tier clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal and the Milan clubs if they eventually get their act together.

I imagine the idea is, our squad matches the very best and those falling behind go to the second tier. Much like Sanchez & Ozil went to Arsenal & Di Maria went to the rags. We will hopefully be the elite club, we won't be paying clubs to take Nasri and Bony on loan, clubs like Inter & Arsenal will be in a bidding war for our cast offs.

If our front six is Bernardo, Sané, Aguero, Sterling, Jesus & Sanchez and say Bernardo & Aguero don't perform as well, then we can expect a bidding war.
After this summer, gone are the days of desperately trying to shift our shit.

 

[ojeme]

"Massive problem". That's absolute garbage. You really think it's a massive problem for Bayern or Real that they may have two or three upset players in the squad whilst they continue to win everything in sight? The answer simply put is - no. They don't give a fuck. And neither should we. Either have the mentality that you want to be the best possible or be Arsenal and keep some bullshit hierarchy of players who are collectively not good enough whilst pretending you're a 'top' club.

Head on nail/Nail on head

 

[Shaelumstash]

Too many cooks...
I understand the need to be stocked all over the pitch, but it seems a bit absurd we'd have ~£180m of recently spent money on the bench + Aguero. Although I do agree with the sentiment Aguero will see less playing time with the arrival of Alexis, I could see Aguero forcing a move at that point. It's a bit fantasy football and I think too crowded has just as many problems as "not crowded enough".

Can never really get my head around the "What will our starting 11 be" threads. We played the same team for two games in a row twice all season and played nearly 60 games. We made more changes than any other side in the league. With the quality of the squad we're building, I can only assume that trend is going to continue.

Some top sides you can reel off the starting 11 off the top of your head - Chelsea last season, Barca when they won the treble under Pep, The Shite in 1999. But some top sides don't have a recognisable starting 11 and instead have 14 or 15 world class players who rotate - Real Madrid over the years, Pep's Bayern, The Shite in 2008. We'll fall in to the latter category. We won't have a recognised starting 11, we'll probably have a core of 5 or 6 players who start every big game - Ederson, Kompany, Mendy, Walker, David Silva, then the rest will play depending on fitness, form and the opposition.

 

[Delphacito]

The key is winning. Lack of playing time will be soothed by lifting the trophy at the end of the season. We all talk about how Isco is being wasted at Madrid and so on, but tonight he'll get the chance to win his 3rd CL medal. In the end if you win, it will all be forgiven. Now if you lack playing time and the team keeps losing, thats another story altogether...

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

"Massive problem". That's absolute garbage. You really think it's a massive problem for Bayern or Real that they may have two or three upset players in the squad whilst they continue to win everything in sight? The answer simply put is - no. They don't give a fuck. And neither should we. Either have the mentality that you want to be the best possible or be Arsenal and keep some bullshit hierarchy of players who are collectively not good enough whilst pretending you're a 'top' club.

Good shout that Billy. The more quality players we have the better. Medals are always a handy antidote to hurt feelings!