It's Quiet the £250m return

WRicko said:
The point is no one has been sold and the suspect the McAtee fee will looking a lot better than people are suggesting and the Liverpool fees will basically look the same.

The McAtee fee will end up being 25 - 30 maybe more. Since it was said upwards of 25 and now hear up to 5 German clubs and some premier league clubs want him. We always include sell on and bonuses and possibly a buy back.

It’s not impossible to image us getting near 30 and then 5 million in bonuses and then a sell on of say 10% and get 5 million in few years. Meanwhile it’s not impossible the imagine Liverpool etc to get the fee quoted or maybe less

So our fee is affectively 10 - 15million more than reported whilst our rivals fees are the same or maybe less than expected which on 30 million player is 3rd or half the original price
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20-25% on the sell-on usually. We fairly obviously short to get the terms we want on the clauses.
 
Berti No Show said:
Ah I see. Don't register them for the CL would be my guess.
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Can't see us doing that. People say this every year, but we end up loaning the players out instead.

That's 50m worth of players there, that wouldn't be used in an important competition, while also then having a bigger squad then Pep likes.

My guess is, they'll either be in tue CL squad, woth others leaving, or they will themselves leave (on loan).
 
ninjamonkey said:
Their opinions are different and signficiantly less valid because they have no knowledge of the players, or at least not the same level as we do.

Angelino was what? 6 years ago? And we benefitted by about £5m and haven't benefitted from one since. meanwhile, everytime we include one, we sacrifice a good percentage of the fee to do so. how much have we missed out on by including all these buyback clauses on players that we never utilise? It'll be well in the multiple 10's of millions by now.

I accepted the fee would be significantly impacted by his contract in the very first sentence of my original post, but even factoring that in, Its still very cheap compared to the rest of the market.

Letting any young player that we aren't happy to leave on a free enter the final year of their contract is poor business in itself that's going to cost us a lot of money but that's a different issue.

He's 22, homegrown attacking midfielder, captain of the u-21 euro winning squad, motm in the final, and has featured for Manchester city's first team yet he's worth less than somebody who had a decent season for Sunderland in the championship? That will never make sense.
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The fees make sense to me.

Hard to sell someone high if they've only ever been a bit-part in a successful side, and a main part in a relegated one. Plus, we're okay with him going.

Meanwhile, Sunderland would have kept Bellingham if they could, and I'm sure Dortmund felt the same about Gittens. So teams had to be persuaded to part by a decent fee.
 
Coatigan said:
Can't see us doing that. People say this every year, but we end up loaning the players out instead.

That's 50m worth of players there, that wouldn't be used in an important competition, while also then having a bigger squad then Pep likes.

My guess is, they'll either be in tue CL squad, woth others leaving, or they will themselves leave (on loan).
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I don’t think though mate that it’s outrageous to think City might choose to keep a couple of the younger lads around the squad for all games other than Champs League, based on the assertion that we need a slightly bigger squad due to what happened this season and our CWC exploits too.

That might be the compromise between Viana and Pep, have 2 extra in squad for example Reis and Echeverri and they are just Prem and domestic cups.
 
Rammy Blue said:
I don’t think though mate that it’s outrageous to think City might choose to keep a couple of the younger lads around the squad for all games other than Champs League, based on the assertion that we need a slightly bigger squad due to what happened this season and our CWC exploits too.

That might be the compromise between Viana and Pep, have 2 extra in squad for example Reis and Echeverri and they are just Prem and domestic cups.
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I agree, logically, there is sense in it.

However people argue this every single year, and end up being wrong every single time. Just don't think it is how the club operates.
 
Still think we need a specialist right back at absolute minimum

If we can offload Stones and/or Ake then a centre half is also needed. Neither Stones or Ake are going to be able to contribute much this season due to injuries

We need to work hard on the outgoings as well.
Gundo, Grealish, Walker - 3 big earners who need to be off the books to keep the rebuild going.
McAtee should also probably go
One of Rico or Nunes if we can buy a right back
 
Where are we at with sales and players not sold this window but who we get a sell on fee for and the amount ? Basically what have we earned this summer so far ?
 
simon23 said:
Still think we need a specialist right back at absolute minimum

If we can offload Stones and/or Ake then a centre half is also needed. Neither Stones or Ake are going to be able to contribute much this season due to injuries

We need to work hard on the outgoings as well.
Gundo, Grealish, Walker - 3 big earners who need to be off the books to keep the rebuild going.
McAtee should also probably go
One of Rico or Nunes if we can buy a right back
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Wouldn't mind Zabarnyi from Bournemouth. He would be class here, but again he's a non HG player. I'd look at offloading Akanji (straight non HG swap and would come in on lesser wages) if it meant we could bring in Zabarnyi at a reasonable price and stop PSG getting him.
Then use Khusanov as both CB/RB.
 
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A right-back would be nice but that alone won't cover the lack of pace in defence and midfield. Inzaghi exposed our frailties yet again. Rodri won't last the season uninjured, Gonzalez doesn't seem to have Guardiola's trust, and Gundogan/Silva/Kovacic are a year older.
 
Gabriel said:
A right-back would be nice but that alone won't cover the lack of pace in defence and midfield. Inzaghi exposed our frailties yet again. Rodri won't last the season uninjured, Gonzalez doesn't seem to have Guardiola's trust, and Gundogan/Silva/Kovacic are a year older.
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Apparently we are OK according to the Ray's off the world and we can muddle through next season. Well expect to win FA then . . .
 
Matt Diablo said:
Apparently we are OK according to the Ray's off the world and we can muddle through next season. Well expect to win FA then . . .
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As I've said repeatedly on this thread, we'll do well enough domestically to make Champions League, but any team worth its salt will fancy their chances in a knock-out competition. The fresh injury to Rodri should jolt people out of their complacency and hopefully focus minds on finding genuine cover.
 
Gabriel said:
A right-back would be nice but that alone won't cover the lack of pace in defence and midfield. Inzaghi exposed our frailties yet again. Rodri won't last the season uninjured, Gonzalez doesn't seem to have Guardiola's trust, and Gundogan/Silva/Kovacic are a year older.
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Suggest we start buying players Pep does trust, as we're spending a lot of money on players he then rarely plays (Nico and Khusanov) and can throw Nunes as a midfielder into that (and Phillips).

Not sure what the issue is, but there seems to have been a few players recently where he seems to give them a couple of games before deciding they're not for him. That's not a sustainable approach and no point buying MGW, Livramento or anyone else if he's going to do the same.
 
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