It's Quiet the £250m return

plongo said:
Go on then I'll bite, what are you doubting then?
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Im not doubting him in anyway.

I think he is a bit of an unknown quantity that is all. He looks a hugely excitng player so it makes you wonder why no one else was in for him for instance. Genius level players can sometimes be mavericks as well....Messi and Ronaldo were very different in this sense..but look at players like Balotelli who had all the individual skill in the world but the wrong attitude - again Im not saying this is the issue with Cherki as there is no evidence of this (that I know of).

Someone posted that he had had a run in with the owners/chairman of his last club - again Im not sure what that was about.

What I know is that the club usually do due diligence on players really well. Ill be very interested to see his attitude on the pitch if/when it isnt going right for him or the team.
 
simon23 said:
Im not doubting him in anyway.

I think he is a bit of an unknown quantity that is all. He looks a hugely excitng player so it makes you wonder why no one else was in for him for instance. Genius level players can sometimes be mavericks as well....Messi and Ronaldo were very different in this sense..but look at players like Balotelli who had all the individual skill in the world but the wrong attitude - again Im not saying this is the issue with Cherki as there is no evidence of this (that I know of).

Someone posted that he had had a run in with the owners/chairman of his last club - again Im not sure what that was about.

What I know is that the club usually do due diligence on players really well. Ill be very interested to see his attitude on the pitch if/when it isnt going right for him or the team.
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That’s untrue. Clubs had tried to sign him last summer and again in the winter.We moved quickly this summer.

I expect we’ll see plenty frustration from him, as indeed we saw with de Bruyne, simply because Cherki will put the ball in places others just don’t anticipate or they’ll fail to control it or finish. Rather than focus on his exasperation, though, it might be more worthwhile questioning whether the other players could improve or be improved upon.
 
simon23 said:
Im not doubting him in anyway.

I think he is a bit of an unknown quantity that is all. He looks a hugely excitng player so it makes you wonder why no one else was in for him for instance. Genius level players can sometimes be mavericks as well....Messi and Ronaldo were very different in this sense..but look at players like Balotelli who had all the individual skill in the world but the wrong attitude - again Im not saying this is the issue with Cherki as there is no evidence of this (that I know of).

Someone posted that he had had a run in with the owners/chairman of his last club - again Im not sure what that was about.

What I know is that the club usually do due diligence on players really well. Ill be very interested to see his attitude on the pitch if/when it isnt going right for him or the team.
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Lyon's loss will be City’s gain. It's a new start in a new country for recent French international Rayan Cherki. Many of the world's best "maverick" type players have an attitude, & that's what makes them different.

I've seen KDB on the pitch arguing with Pep. I've seen Kev storm off down the tunnel after being substituted. Has anyone ever labeled him anything other than a supremely gifted baller with a steely will to win? The same can be said of Ronaldo & Messi.

I think the issue with Rayan stems from his North African roots, & many in the French media labeling him the new Hatem Ben Afra, Samir Nasri, Adel Taarabt etc. Supremely gifted, but with reported flawed personalities & mentalities.

However, when you consider the multitude of players of French North African roots where there are no reported issues, there seems to be an unfair negative French societal impression of uber talented players with North African roots.

Cherki was frankly shit on his City debut in the CWC, & you could see the frustration on his face after he kept giving the ball away & being tackled. But on his second appearance, we began to see what all the fuss was about.

His work-rate has also been questioned, but again at the CWC, he stood out when after we lost possession, it was he who raced back from the opposition penalty area, tackled the midfielder, evaded a couple of challenges & made a brilliant pass up field which led to a City goal.

He knows the eyes of the world are on him, & that City need a player of almost telepathic abilities to replace the output of KDB. He's not a direct KDB replacement, but he has a different skill set which will hopefully replace the assists & goals we lost from prime KDB.

The kid just needs us City fans to give him the time & space to develop as we did with King Kev. Under Guardiola's guidance, he may just turn out to be a maverick great for City.
 
simon23 said:
Im not doubting him in anyway.

I think he is a bit of an unknown quantity that is all. He looks a hugely excitng player so it makes you wonder why no one else was in for him for instance. Genius level players can sometimes be mavericks as well....Messi and Ronaldo were very different in this sense..but look at players like Balotelli who had all the individual skill in the world but the wrong attitude - again Im not saying this is the issue with Cherki as there is no evidence of this (that I know of).

Someone posted that he had had a run in with the owners/chairman of his last club - again Im not sure what that was about.

What I know is that the club usually do due diligence on players really well. Ill be very interested to see his attitude on the pitch if/when it isnt going right for him or the team.
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A lot was going wrong at Lyon and he stood up to be counted.
 
decmancity said:
Did you ask them if they learnt that after the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh or eighth premier league title?
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They are typical cult dippers mate they are right you are wrong. I only usually see them at family events couple of times a year unfortunately.
 
Chappie said:
How do you shift players if they don’t want to go or there is no interest from any other club.
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You tell them they wont be registered with the squad here and wont play any football (in a World Cup year), and if we cant get a decent fee we can always loan them out with us paying a chunk of their wages. Moving players out is easy. The hard part is getting a good financial deal out of it.
 
Chappie said:
How do you shift players if they don’t want to go or there is no interest from any other club.
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You cannot, at least not cheaply.
There is some time left, and we do keep our cards close to our chest; we don't tend to put chats with clubs on social media.
We play a lot of games, and can rotate, but it is not something we are used to and it will be up to Pep to maintain player motivation with a larger squad if that is what it comes to.
We have also heard nothing about players leaving on loan, like Echeverri and Reis, so I would not be worried that we are hearing nothing about the likes of Ederson, Gundo, Akanji, Stones, and Grealish, etc.
 
Dribble said:
Lyon's loss will be City’s gain. It's a new start in a new country for recent French international Rayan Cherki. Many of the world's best "maverick" type players have an attitude, & that's what makes them different.

I've seen KDB on the pitch arguing with Pep. I've seen Kev storm off down the tunnel after being substituted. Has anyone ever labeled him anything other than a supremely gifted baller with a steely will to win? The same can be said of Ronaldo & Messi.

I think the issue with Rayan stems from his North African roots, & many in the French media labeling him the new Hatem Ben Afra, Samir Nasri, Adel Taarabt etc. Supremely gifted, but with reported flawed personalities & mentalities.

However, when you consider the multitude of players of French North African roots where there are no reported issues, there seems to be an unfair negative French societal impression of uber talented players with North African roots.

Cherki was frankly shit on his City debut in the CWC, & you could see the frustration on his face after he kept giving the ball away & being tackled. But on his second appearance, we began to see what all the fuss was about.

His work-rate has also been questioned, but again at the CWC, he stood out when after we lost possession, it was he who raced back from the opposition penalty area, tackled the midfielder, evaded a couple of challenges & made a brilliant pass up field which led to a City goal.

He knows the eyes of the world are on him, & that City need a player of almost telepathic abilities to replace the output of KDB. He's not a direct KDB replacement, but he has a different skill set which will hopefully replace the assists & goals we lost from prime KDB.

The kid just needs us City fans to give him the time & space to develop as we did with King Kev. Under Guardiola's guidance, he may just turn out to be a maverick great for City.
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I'm sure, when Cherki first talked about his reasoning for joining the club, he spoke about it being a club with a profile that can help players win the Ballon D'or. If he achieves that and helps us pick up silverware along the way then many will be happy
 
Vester said:
You tell them they wont be registered with the squad here and wont play any football (in a World Cup year), and if we cant get a decent fee we can always loan them out with us paying a chunk of their wages. Moving players out is easy. The hard part is getting a good financial deal out of it.
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What a simplistic world you live in.
The only bit of your reply with any semblance of truth, is the first 2 lines.
You cannot tell senior professionals who are under contract ,where they will be playing .
We are not the Gestapo.
 
Chappie said:
What a simplistic world you live in.
The only bit of your reply with any semblance of truth, is the first 2 lines.
You cannot tell senior professionals who are under contract ,where they will be playing .
We are not the Gestapo.
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I think you live in a fantasy world if you believe it would be a huge problem to get players to move even if we tell them that we cant register them and would be willing to pay their entire wage if they played somewhere else.

And if you dont believe that, my point was correct. The hard part is not to move players out, the hard part is doing it without taking a significant financial hit.
 
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Vester said:
You tell them they wont be registered with the squad here and wont play any football (in a World Cup year), and if we cant get a decent fee we can always loan them out with us paying a chunk of their wages. Moving players out is easy. The hard part is getting a good financial deal out of it.
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Can you or anyone else clarify something for me please? I'm sure similar discussions about this subject have cropped up on this forum previously, but isn't there an issue with breach of contract where a player can terminate his deal & walk away if he's not playing?

I know players like Micah Richards (Villa), Danny Mills (City & loans) & Kalvin Philips (City & loans) have stuck around to collect their wages after being told they won't play, but what's the FA & contractual rules surrounding this, if we decided not to register them in the PL or CL?
 
Dribble said:
Can you or anyone else clarify something for me please? I'm sure similar discussions about this subject have cropped up on this forum previously, but isn't there an issue with breach of contract where a player can terminate his deal & walk away if he's not playing?

I know players like Micah Richards (Villa), Danny Mills (City & loans) & Kalvin Philips (City & loans) have stuck around to collect their wages after being told they won't play, but what's the FA & contractual rules surrounding this, if we decided not to register them in the PL or CL?
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Webster FIFA Ruling​

The Webster ruling is a landmark case in association football law involving Andy Webster, a Scottish defender who played for Heart of Midlothian. It stemmed from his decision in 2006 to invoke Article 17 of FIFA's Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players, which allows players under the age of 28 to unilaterally terminate their contracts after three years, or players aged 28 and over after two years, provided they pay compensation. Webster, who had signed a four-year contract with Hearts in 2003, sought to leave the club after his third year, citing a lack of agreement on a new deal and dissatisfaction with the club's treatment.

Initially, FIFA's Dispute Resolution Chamber ruled that Hearts were entitled to £625,000 in compensation, based on Webster's future wages and earning potential, and found him guilty of terminating his contract "without just cause" on a technicality due to late notification. He was also suspended for the first two matches of the 2007–08 season. Hearts appealed this decision, and on 30 January 2008, the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) reviewed the case and reduced the compensation to £150,000, which was the value of the remaining term of his contract at the time of his departure.

The ruling was significant because it established a precedent for player freedom of movement, similar in potential impact to the Bosman ruling of 1995, and was hailed by players' unions as a major step forward for player rights. It meant that clubs could no longer hold players to long-term contracts indefinitely, forcing them to re-evaluate their strategies, particularly regarding contract lengths and player development. However, the ruling also caused concern among clubs, who feared it would lead to a decline in transfer fees and significant accounting losses due to the need to depreciate player contracts over a maximum of three years. Despite the controversy, the case has been cited as a pivotal moment in football law, demonstrating the power of Article 17 to empower players.
 
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