Indeed. A Twitter feed I saw this morning expressed his absolute ANGER when he saw a single (excellent) move by Echeverri and proclaimed it disgusting that he may be going and Gundogan staying. He was hunting engagement because anyone who saw Gundogan yesterday knows that he too looked as sharp as hell.
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It's Quiet the £250m return
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BillyShears
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Might be to do with the other Pep. Dippers always looked fitter than any other team in the league when he was there. Could see in the training he was doing with us really emphasising pressing and winning the ball quickly and quick passing.
I think you're right re: Pep L - but also I wonder if they want to change how they deal with conditioning. Our normal practice under Pep has been to "peak" from January onwards. But there may be a concern that peaking then is too late if you've given rivals a head start by that point.
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More experienced pros would be suffice.how should they be referred to....past it? Finished? washed? unable to perform at the level required? aged?
the terminology is pretty irrelevant when compared to what is actually being discussed...its just a quick way of grouping a certain group of players that are (insert any of the above phrases/words)
Gabriel
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I agree, though above you’re happy to group posters who simply have different opinions as ‘moaners’.Players. More experienced players. Legends.
It isn't irrelevant, IMO.
Think the discussion is better served if we all avoid such labels, both for players and each other.
Based on what?Echeverri’s apparent insistence to go to Roma instead of Girona seems to be continuing.
Only worry with that is they want a buy option. If we fall for that bait, I hope we get a discounted buy back clause in there.
how should they be referred to....past it? Finished? washed? unable to perform at the level required? aged?
the terminology is pretty irrelevant when compared to what is actually being discussed...its just a quick way of grouping a certain group of players that are (insert any of the above phrases/words)
Club legends and none of those disrespectful terms?
Gabriel
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We tried to entice Buenaventura from Real Madrid in 2024, recognising that we had fitness issues and could not consistently cope on two fronts across the final months. I think the changes in backroom staff may be far more important both to fitness and vertical integration than has been appreciated.I think you're right re: Pep L - but also I wonder if they want to change how they deal with conditioning. Our normal practice under Pep has been to "peak" from January onwards. But there may be a concern that peaking then is too late if you've given rivals a head start by that point.
Matt Diablo
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MagalufWtf has happened to Kalvin Phillip's, not to be seen anywhere?
simon23
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Players - well we have a 25/26 man squad so that doesnt workPlayers. More experienced players. Legends.
It isn't irrelevant, IMO.
More experienced - you could argue with the amount of experience Foden fits into that bracket so that doesnt work either
Legends -some yes, some no - (gundo yes), grealish (no) for instance and that arguement about who is a legend and who isnt is always subjective to peoples favourite players anyway
What the point is that this is distracting from is that there are a group of players for whatever reason that need to be moved on /or not.
Grealish
Stones (potentially) -but if we can keep him fit then he is world class
Ake (as with Stones but not quite as good)
Gundo
Kova (our best midfielder last season)
Bernardo seems to fall into that category for some - id argue that he stays as I think he still has plenty to offer
Phillips (is he even still considered on the list of squad players?)
Walker and KDB already gone.
We had an tired midfield last year which was huge part of the issue..legends or not they got battered at times by younger quicker and (what is worse) less technically gifted players. - due to a drop off in their own physicality - look at what happened to Walker and KDB couldnt burst past players anymore.
We missed Rodri of course but no matter how good he is (best player in the world) one man missing shouldnt be used as an a reason not to look at the problems caused by the other players.
We have gone a long way to address that hopefully.
Reijnders looks quality.
Cherki looks exciting
(Alt Nouri, though a defender will step into that midfield area and has energy about him)
The issue with retaining some of the other players however is that it slows the transition of this team down (due to a lack of squad places) Of course its not in the clubs power to just get rid of players, they are under contract, but we seem to struggle at times with being a bit too nice...we made that mistake with Walker and probably KDB who both should have probably gone the season before.
BlueMoonRisin’
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He's our player and we should call the shots on where his immediate future is going to be, and the T's & C's of any loan move.Echeverri’s apparent insistence to go to Roma instead of Girona seems to be continuing.
Only worry with that is they want a buy option. If we fall for that bait, I hope we get a discounted buy back clause in there.
Tugay One Cup
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Echeverri’s apparent insistence to go to Roma instead of Girona seems to be continuing.
Only worry with that is they want a buy option. If we fall for that bait, I hope we get a discounted buy back clause in there.
He's played a single competitive game for us and they want a shot at having him for cheap if he succeeds there?
Struggling to understand how we've not already given them a definitive no.
Too nice?Players - well we have a 25/26 man squad so that doesnt work
More experienced - you could argue with the amount of experience Foden fits into that bracket so that doesnt work either
Legends -some yes, some no - (gundo yes), grealish (no) for instance and that arguement about who is a legend and who isnt is always subjective to peoples favourite players anyway
What the point is that this is distracting from is that there are a group of players for whatever reason that need to be moved on /or not.
Grealish
Stones (potentially) -but if we can keep him fit then he is world class
Ake (as with Stones but not quite as good)
Gundo
Kova (our best midfielder last season)
Bernardo seems to fall into that category for some - id argue that he stays as I think he still has plenty to offer
Phillips (is he even still considered on the list of squad players?)
Walker and KDB already gone.
We had an tired midfield last year which was huge part of the issue..legends or not they got battered at times by younger quicker and (what is worse) less technically gifted players. - due to a drop off in their own physicality - look at what happened to Walker and KDB couldnt burst past players anymore.
We missed Rodri of course but no matter how good he is (best player in the world) one man missing shouldnt be used as an a reason not to look at the problems caused by the other players.
We have gone a long way to address that hopefully.
Reijnders looks quality.
Cherki looks exciting
(Alt Nouri, though a defender will step into that midfield area and has energy about him)
The issue with retaining some of the other players however is that it slows the transition of this team down (due to a lack of squad places) Of course its not in the clubs power to just get rid of players, they are under contract, but we seem to struggle at times with being a bit too nice...we made that mistake with Walker and probably KDB who both should have probably gone the season before.
This is just finger-in-the-air subjectivity.
Have a little patience. We literally have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.
And let last season go. It is done.
And Uncs simply does not work, and feels disrespectful.
Gabriel
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At the same time, we enjoyed unprecedented success by relying so heavily on these players and having them play through the pain barrier for us. Loyalty cuts both ways and that was also part of our holistic approach. We may now have to accept that unless they’re actively seeking to leave (Walker) or out of contract (de Bruyne, Carson), then these players are just going to sit tight and see out their contracts. If the season is successful, then that shouldn’t be a problem. However, if things go awry again, then it could stick in the craw of some supporters.Players - well we have a 25/26 man squad so that doesnt work
More experienced - you could argue with the amount of experience Foden fits into that bracket so that doesnt work either
Legends -some yes, some no - (gundo yes), grealish (no) for instance and that arguement about who is a legend and who isnt is always subjective to peoples favourite players anyway
What the point is that this is distracting from is that there are a group of players for whatever reason that need to be moved on /or not.
Grealish
Stones (potentially) -but if we can keep him fit then he is world class
Ake (as with Stones but not quite as good)
Gundo
Kova (our best midfielder last season)
Bernardo seems to fall into that category for some - id argue that he stays as I think he still has plenty to offer
Phillips (is he even still considered on the list of squad players?)
Walker and KDB already gone.
We had an tired midfield last year which was huge part of the issue..legends or not they got battered at times by younger quicker and (what is worse) less technically gifted players. - due to a drop off in their own physicality - look at what happened to Walker and KDB couldnt burst past players anymore.
We missed Rodri of course but no matter how good he is (best player in the world) one man missing shouldnt be used as an a reason not to look at the problems caused by the other players.
We have gone a long way to address that hopefully.
Reijnders looks quality.
Cherki looks exciting
(Alt Nouri, though a defender will step into that midfield area and has energy about him)
The issue with retaining some of the other players however is that it slows the transition of this team down (due to a lack of squad places) Of course its not in the clubs power to just get rid of players, they are under contract, but we seem to struggle at times with being a bit too nice...we made that mistake with Walker and probably KDB who both should have probably gone the season before.
simon23
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No - you are correct we dont know but as I replied to richards30 before we have seen this pattern before with us int he transfer window. We get business done early (which is fantastic) and then we seem to focus then on selling players and loans (this would be a logical way of prioritising the transfer window as well)Too nice?
This is just finger-in-the-air subjectivity.
Have a little patience. We literally have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.
And let last season go. It is done.
And Uncs simply does not work, and feels disrespectful.
Last season though done needs to be used a point of reflection - if we dont look at how we performed last season how do we look at what needs to be improved...Separately, you could argue the treble or quadruple season is in the past but that is used to defend players contributions by everyone - the past performances informs where we need to go as a club and the levels we would hopefully want to return to.
Football stands still for no one hence why we need to improve.
simon23
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Dont disagree with any of that..it is a balance but to move forward we have to make sacrifices - players are paid extremely well for what they do (generational wealth). Their careers are short and if they are not playing then they themselves (you would hope) would be thinking of leaving and doing what they can to make that happen.At the same time, we enjoyed unprecedented success by relying so heavily on these players and having them play through the pain barrier for us. Loyalty cuts both ways and that was also part of our holistic approach. We may now have to accept that unless they’re actively seeking to leave (Walker) or out of contract (de Bruyne, Carson), then these players are just going to sit tight and see out their contracts. If the season is successful, then that shouldn’t be a problem. However, if things go awry again, then it could stick in the craw of some supporters.
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Well the club has looked at last season,they have seen how we improve ,they have made changes off the pitch and on the pitch. Now sit back and see how we've improved or not, and enjoy the new season.No - you are correct we dont know but as I replied to richards30 before we have seen this pattern before with us int he transfer window. We get business done early (which is fantastic) and then we seem to focus then on selling players and loans (this would be a logical way of prioritising the transfer window as well)
Last season though done needs to be used a point of reflection - if we dont look at how we performed last season how do we look at what needs to be improved...Separately, you could argue the treble or quadruple season is in the past but that is used to defend players contributions by everyone - the past performances informs where we need to go as a club and the levels we would hopefully want to return to.
Football stands still for no one hence why we need to improve.
simon23
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I like the fact that they have changed the coaching staff..that could be the biggest change this season.Well the club has looked at last season,they have seen how we improve ,they have made changes off the pitch and on the pitch. Now sit back and see how we've improved or not, and enjoy the new season.
And it is clear that the investment made is designed to eradicate those shortcomings, hence me suggesting that the season is done.No - you are correct we dont know but as I replied to richards30 before we have seen this pattern before with us int he transfer window. We get business done early (which is fantastic) and then we seem to focus then on selling players and loans (this would be a logical way of prioritising the transfer window as well)
Last season though done needs to be used a point of reflection - if we dont look at how we performed last season how do we look at what needs to be improved...Separately, you could argue the treble or quadruple season is in the past but that is used to defend players contributions by everyone - the past performances informs where we need to go as a club and the levels we would hopefully want to return to.
Football stands still for no one hence why we need to improve.
I only use former glories to suggest players are treated respectfully, but we move on.