It's Quiet the £250m return

Coatigan said:
@BlueBrain @vincent

There you go, that's where you were/are wrong.

Since then, Liverpool spent 130m on isak and got 35m for Elliot, with a deadline day net spend of 95m. That doesn't cause a net spend jump of over 170m from what you had that day. And just checked the website again and it is still a good 70m out, for Liverpool. And that's based just on BBC's figures, which themselves will be conservative.
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Sorry what am I wrong on?

BBC says their source is footballtransfers.com which a) puts their fees in euros b) probably doesn’t include the academy teams that teams do similar to how transfermrkt does.

Most of these sites uses APIs from one or couple sources.

Im literally going line by line through every transfer to get a good direct source on what the reported fee is.

Their net there is also £228m

Ive now updated database after deadline and all my update is £220m net (with add ons) and a spend of £448m. One major change I did there was move Liverpools new keeper to this season as I looked up his contract and it essentially went through this summer rather than the initial reported buy > loan > return it was just a delayed buy.

Which fee is incorrect that’s the better question ?
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We still have the highest wage bill in the Prem probably so our spending is isolation does not tell the full story
 
pavelsrnicek said:
I don’t get to watch the academy but people who do say last youth team are amongst the best we’ve ever had. Perhaps that’s a factor in our transfer business. Ordinarily in a preseason tour done of the lads may have featured but as we only had one preseason friendly we only saw Mukasa.

With Akanji and Gundogan gone and Cherki, Gvardiol, Foden, Kovacic, Savinho and Khusanov injured to some degree there will be spots open in the squad.
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The problem is we hear the story about the youth team being the best we've had every season - plenty have gone on to have wonderful careers, but we saw with McAtee the difference in levels - we all wanted him to do well after looking such a talent in youth football, only for him to not quite get there.

I'd argue we've probably produced two and a half good enough to start for our first team - Foden, Palmer and Trafford (the half)
 
We’ll part ways with Bernardo and Stones next summer, no more room for sentimentality, and we’ll presumably try to offload Ake and Kovacic.
If we combine the two windows, our most expensive outlay was Marmoush (€75m) and I don’t see that style of operation changing. We’ll look to identify quality but at sensible prices, with an extra emphasis on youth; keeping Nypan in England is indicative of how we’ll navigate the home grown rules. I suspect that we’ll also look to incorporate more players from the academy.
Very few people predicted any of the signings we’ve made in 2025, so we should probably refrain from writing letters to Santa with the names of established players in England who are already tied to long contracts with competitors. That no longer appears to be our modus operandi.
 
BlueBrain said:
Sorry what am I wrong on?

BBC says their source is footballtransfers.com which a) puts their fees in euros b) probably doesn’t include the academy teams that teams do similar to how transfermrkt does.

Most of these sites uses APIs from one or couple sources.

Im literally going line by line through every transfer to get a good direct source on what the reported fee is.

Their net there is also £228m

Ive now updated database after deadline and all my update is £220m net (with add ons) and a spend of £448m. One major change I did there was move Liverpools new keeper to this season as I looked up his contract and it essentially went through this summer rather than the initial reported buy > loan > return it was just a delayed buy.

Which fee is incorrect that’s the better question ?
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I will keep saying it until i am blue in the face but £56m for Darwin Nunez needs to be investigated!!
 
John Wayne said:
That's a really good effort. I reckon those departure amounts may be a little optimistic, but by the time you throw in some academy sales then £213m feels attainable. I think Stones and Ortega will leave and we'll sell Ake, so I can envisage nine first-team departures and a total well in excess of £200m coming into the club.

I'm not happy with Dias and Lewis getting new deals, but that's the situation - they will be here in a year's time.

We have four big youngsters out on loan - Reis, Nypan, Echeverri and Bah - but I think Reis will be the only one who isn't loaned out again.

I'm not sure what we'll do with Nico O'Reilly. I hope he makes it with us but it might be touch-and-go. I'll say he probably stays for now.

With Stones and Ake likely going, I've got a feeling we might go for five signings next summer. This would give us 23 players - nominally two players for every position plus an extra goalkeeper.
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A lot will change until then: some may overperform relative to the expectations (say, Savinho or Bobb), others may underperform, still others may get injured, and so on. Planning for next summer is not bad per se, but it's very speculative and thus mostly waste of time (maybe that's the point).

For instance, I very much doubt that Bobb and Savinho are seen at the club as inferior to Barcola, and many would laugh at the suggestion that Wharton is better than Reijnders, who will have a season under his belt by then. Building a new team every season will help our rivals.
 
doobyedoobye said:
We still have the highest wage bill in the Prem probably so our spending is isolation does not tell the full story
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Probably?

I wouldn’t be so sure after the summer just gone.

We’ve got some very high earners off the books, and our competitors have spent huge sums on players that will expect wages commensurate with the fees their new Clubs paid for them.

We’ll be near the top, of course - but I’d have to see evidence to be convinced we’ve got the highest wage bill anymore.
 
Gabriel said:
We’ll part ways with Bernardo and Stones next summer, no more room for sentimentality, and we’ll presumably try to offload Ake and Kovacic.
If we combine the two windows, our most expensive outlay was Marmoush (€75m) and I don’t see that style of operation changing. We’ll look to identify quality but at sensible prices, with an extra emphasis on youth; keeping Nypan in England is indicative of how we’ll navigate the home grown rules. I suspect that we’ll also look to incorporate more players from the academy.
Very few people predicted any of the signings we’ve made in 2025, so we should probably refrain from writing letters to Santa with the names of established players in England who are already tied to long contracts with competitors. That no longer appears to be our modus operandi.
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We should also be getting Phillips, Otrega and Nunes off the books and if the loans go well trying to incorporate Nypan, Reis, Echiverri and Bah. That would give us 3 spaces for first team signings.
 
g180aj said:
We should also be getting Phillips, Otrega and Nunes off the books and if the loans go well trying to incorporate Nypan, Reis, Echiverri and Bah. That would give us 3 spaces for first team signings.
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Ortega will hopefully be gone by then, but the other two are still contracted through 2028. Even with faith the size of a mustard seed, those are difficult mountains to move.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Probably?

I wouldn’t be so sure after the summer just gone.

We’ve got some very high earners off the books, and our competitors have spent huge sums on players that will expect wages commensurate with the fees their new Clubs paid for them.

We’ll be near the top, of course - but I’d have to see evidence to be convinced we’ve got the highest wage bill anymore.
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I think we have reduced the wages by circa £1M week with the departures of KDB (400), Grealish (300), Gundogan (230), ederson (100). However big investment in the arrivals, not sure what the net amount will be after Donnarumma, Cherki, Reijnders and Ait Nouri
 
Dazzle84 said:
The problem is we hear the story about the youth team being the best we've had every season - plenty have gone on to have wonderful careers, but we saw with McAtee the difference in levels - we all wanted him to do well after looking such a talent in youth football, only for him to not quite get there.

I'd argue we've probably produced two and a half good enough to start for our first team - Foden, Palmer and Trafford (the half)
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As I said I haven’t seen much of them but I know the likes of Mukasa, McAidoo, Reigan Heskey and Mfuni are highly rated.

There are two problems for academy players trying to make it, first our first team are of an incredibly high standard so getting in is very difficult. Second we might produce a brilliant centre back or keeper but if there’s no place in the squad then they’ll be off. The likes of Trippier, Frimpong, Lavia even Palmer had players ahead of them so didn’t wait around.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
As I said I haven’t seen much of them but I know the likes of Mukasa, McAidoo, Reigan Heskey and Mfuni are highly rated.

There are two problems for academy players trying to make it, first our first team are of an incredibly high standard so getting in is very difficult. Second we might produce a brilliant centre back or keeper but if there’s no place in the squad then they’ll be off. The likes of Trippier, Frimpong, Lavia even Palmer had players ahead of them so didn’t wait around.
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It may alternatively become easier. The very fact that we have reduced the age of the squad means that the academy players are no longer competing against so many guys with such vast levels of experience; some might argue that the standard is not quite as high now, but arguments could be made to the contrary. Similarly, by bringing in young players, including Echeverri, Reis, Bah, and Nypan, it shows that youth is very much to the fore in the minds of Viana and the board. Lastly, part of Toure’s role is to act as a conduit between the academy and first team, so we presumably wouldn’t have given him that responsibility if we had no intention of making the transition for these players both smoother and more productive.
 
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Worrying this has been leaked. Viana on a power trip or Pep dodging responsibility?
 
Gumzy97 said:


that's interesting
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I think I would have assumed that given Pep saying it was his fault last season.

I hope Viana can still find homes for Ortega, Phillips and Esbrand but they all have their own problems to solve.

Phillips is by far the hardest. We might just have to pay him for years for nothing like Mangala. It’s weird how he only seems to be able to play for Leeds and England.
 
Gumzy97 said:


that's interesting
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This is no surprise. You just have to look at the players Pep did and didn’t use in the CWC, which Pep himself said was essentially our pre season prep for this season.

The players that have left were pretty much the most used. Thought all summer that it felt like Pep was being told these players are the ones we want to leave and it didn’t necessarily match who Pep would rather keep.

Nico G and Reijnders didn’t play a minute together in the off season as I recall then were the starting midfield in our first two games. Always seemed weird to me that you wouldn’t give them more game time together if they are the plan.
 
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