It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

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blueparrot said:
Did the window close. We'll get a right sided centreback.
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It didn't but we play our 1st league game in 12 days and the window closes 2 weeks after that. We have 9 points to play for before the window closes. Liverpool have dropped only 32 points in the past two seasons. Only 15 points last season. The 9 points we play for at the beginning of the season are as important as any other.

Our best CB has COVID. Ake limped off the other night. Garcia isn't good enough and doesn't want to be here. Stones is probably injured or crying in a corner somewhere. Otamendi is Otamendi. We need a top CB in now, not in 4 weeks time.
 
skyblues said:
Of course a german with no interest in seeing an english team succeed internationally would say this. All english pundits are saying the same about Stones: he’s a weakness in this team, he’s not focused and make silly mistakes. Everyone talks about his potential but it’s not reasonable to wait 5-7 years for a guy to wake up.

People have different opinions about Stones but fact of the matter is: the club (and one can assume Pep) wanted him gone and go with Garcia and Koulibaly(?) instead. That didn’t work out so now they’re stuck with Stones and just might give him a final chance. But if Garcia stays and Koulibaly comes in, we’d have four quality cbs and then Stones. He’d be lucky to play any cup games.

Honestly just being 4th choice for Stones is bad enough when Koulibaly comes in.
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You could be right and Stones is too far gone to come back to his best, he’s in the last chance saloon that’s for sure. But I would guess a German would be just as likely to give an honest opinion as any English pundit, most of whom would love us to fail.
 
I think Stones is definitely worth sticking with, he's shown he can play at our level, he just needs to get his head right and bulk up a bit. I really think he can get back to his best with us, and apart from Koulibaly is better than any centre back available that we could buy right now.

For me I just don't rate Garcia as a centre back at all, he's too small and too slow for this league in that position. He might be decent as a defensive midfielder though, his passing is good and his tackling. In my opinion Stones is far better in central defence though, even when not on top form.

I reckon Laporte, Stones and Ake aren't bad as our first choice central defenders! Who is better than any of them in our league; only van Dijk that I can think of. All three are better than anyone at rags or Chelsea or Arsenal.
 
OrigamiNinja said:
It didn't but we play our 1st league game in 12 days and the window closes 2 weeks after that. We have 9 points to play for before the window closes. Liverpool have dropped only 32 points in the past two seasons. Only 15 points last season. The 9 points we play for at the beginning of the season are as important as any other.

Our best CB has COVID. Ake limped off the other night. Garcia isn't good enough and doesn't want to be here. Stones is probably injured or crying in a corner somewhere. Otamendi is Otamendi. We need a top CB in now, not in 4 weeks time.
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There's still a lot of buying and selling to do for all teams, Chelsea are probably ahead of us, every other team probably behind us in being set for next season. It'll be fine.Regardless your original point that funds for a centre back were spent on Ake has no foundation as we are obviously still looking at around £65-70 mill budget as we always have been.
 
blue oli said:
Could that be first year settling in ? Seems to happen to a fair few imports getting used to the prem
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I’m willing to give him a bit of leeway but have to admit that not only did I find him slow last season but also slow of thought, which was more worrying.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Stones is not reliable, therefore we need another player, irrespective of his form.
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Every signing is a roll of the dice. No guarantee any of them will stay fit and in form.

Stones has had a bad run with injuries but none are the type that should slow him down long term - he needs to get his head down and he can come good. Mendy on the other hand has had a similar run and has bolloxed his knee. I'd put money on Stones having the better career going forward.
 
FromPollockToSilva said:
I don’t envy anyone playing central defence in a team like ours. One momentary lapse of concentration, one stray pass and no one cares that you’ve had an otherwise excellent performance. You’re a liability, you’re a clown, your transfer fee gets trotted out, you’re no Van Dijk...

It’s an almost impossibly high standard, especially when you consider the chances we miss at the other end. You’ll see the first time Koulibaly or whoever makes their first mistake and gets pilloried for it
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Agreed, in some games even the world class KDB has uncharacteristically misplaced several passes, fans overlook it, but if that's a defender he gets dog's abuse.
 
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