It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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Centurions said:
Now you're taking the piss...
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I'm not. I thought association trained was overseas players who came through youth academies in this country. Sterling, Grealish, Stones and Walker are english, not overseas players so don not fall into the 'assocation trained' bracket. Have I missed something?
 
chaddblue said:
I'm not. I thought association trained was overseas players who came through youth academies in this country. Sterling, Grealish, Stones and Walker are english, not overseas players so don not fall into the 'assocation trained' bracket. Have I missed something?
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Apologies then, honestly thought you were on the wind up.

No, it's 17 'Open' spots which anyone can fill.

There's 4 'Club Trained' spots which can only be filled with players who have been at the club for 3 full seasons(?) before the age of 21.

And there's 4 'Association Trained' spots which can only be filled with players who have been at any other club in the association for 3 full seasons(?) before the age of 21.

Hence, Gael Clichy was French but was 'Club Trained for Arsenal but 'Association Trained' for us.

Nationality doesn't come into it at all.

Hargreaves was English but always took up an 'Open' spot because he moved to Germany when he was young.
 
better dead than red said:
Four homegrown players that are not club trained. Any other homegrown players are treated the same as players brought up through foreign clubs.
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Really!?!? How bizarre

Doesn't this encourage clubs to buy cheaper less talented players from other countries rather than looking in your own country.. which would ultimately benefit the national teams?
 
I'm pretty sure the Association Trained spots could be filled by additional >4 Club Trained players. The way you word it makes it sound like they couldn't. Apologies if that is obvious, just pointing out the "only" in your post.
 
Centurions said:
Apologies then, honestly thought you were on the wind up.

No, it's 17 'Open' spots which anyone can fill.

There's 4 'Club Trained' spots which can only be filled with players who have been at the club for 3 full seasons(?) before the age of 21.

And there's 4 'Association Trained' spots which can only be filled with players who have been at any other club in the association for 3 full seasons(?) before the age of 21.

Hence, Gael Clichy was French but was 'Club Trained for Arsenal but 'Association Trained' for us.

Nationality doesn't come into it at all.

Hargreaves was English but always took up an 'Open' spot because he moved to Germany when he was young.
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Which brings Jude Bellingham (you know recently he was only 17) to mind.

I may be mistaken but isn't the rule three years at a club from the age of 15 until 21(not certain on the top end number)? If he moved to Dortmund before the three years will he not be association trained if he comes back to an English club?
 
chaddblue said:
Really!?!? How bizarre

Doesn't this encourage clubs to buy cheaper less talented players from other countries rather than looking in your own country.. which would ultimately benefit the national teams?
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I assume it's because you can't discriminate against employees based on their nationality within the EU, but you can based on their training/education
 
better dead than red said:
Which brings Jude Bellingham (you know recently he was only 17) to mind.

I may be mistaken but isn't the rule three years at a club from the age of 15 until 21(not certain on the top end number)? If he moved to Dortmund before the three years will he not be association trained if he comes back to an English club?
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Yes, it's 15 to 21 (although they were talking about lowering the top end). I'm not 100% sure whether it's 3 complete seasons or not.
 
domalino said:
If I had to make a list of the players in our squad I wanted to play defensive midfield, Cancelo would be the very bottom of it.

The flakiest player we have had in years and his positional awareness is absolutely laughable. As soon as the ball goes over his head he has no idea what's going on or where he is, see Leeds for several examples before he got sent off.



It seems to me like loaning Saúl with an option would be the sensible thing to enquire about here.

We know Saúl has been incredible in the past, but his last 18 months has been miles below that due to him being out of position. Clubs seem cautious to commit a lot of money on an uncertainty.

His wages are high enough that taking them off Atletico's books might allow them to buy Bernardo.

Sell them Bernardo, get an option on Saúl, and try before we buy.


At the very least he's a mobile defensive or box to box midfielder who isn't going to get run around. And he's got loads of experience as an 8, left back and centreback if needed. He's even played very well next to Rodri as a pair in a 4231 formation if that's something Juan Lillo convinces Pep to do in some games.

I just feel we are leaving ourselves incredibly exposed if Fernandinho, like many great players before him, just goes off a cliff this autumn. And I'd rather have an experienced, versatile squad player than Scott Carson (who could be drafted in as an emergency signing in the case of an emergency)

Chelsea did this with Kovacic and it's worked out very well for them. Arsenal have done it with Odegaard.
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Rubbish
 
domalino said:
The level of response I expected from someone who thinks Joao Cancelo could replace Fernandinho in midfield.
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I share your view of Cancelo regarding defensive duties as much as I have been impressed by many of his performances.
Having said that neither of us are the number one Blue so what would we know?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Obviously like him, but sounds like the usual leverage from Txiki. Find out the target of the club you wish to buy from.

Today is a big day from what I am being told. We will find out soon enough if the next breaking news is Dusan!!

Without compromising anybody, Kane has been told to trust the people that matter.

Whatever the hell that means to him!
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Has the big day come to anything ?
 
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