It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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Not everybody believes Haaland is the better player. Kane has done it year in year out in the toughest league in the world. It’s perfectly feasible that Kane is our top target.

A couple years ago you could have said the same about vardy vs mbappe.

Haaland is already the better player, and is only starting. I honestly can't believe anyone would argue Kane is this amazing world class top player, because he scores an average of 20 goals a season in the PL.

For me, he's the best 'available' striker in our league, that's about it. Good plan B or C signing. I am open to the idea that he is the club's top target, and will support that. But I just can't agree.
 
All the Haaland chat is pointless at this stage. CL qualification basically solidifies the fact he will be at Dortmund next season.
Maybe, but it keeps my hopes up, and delays my disappointment.

There’s a lot to be said for disappointment delay ...
 
A couple years ago you could have said the same about vardy vs mbappe.

Haaland is already the better player, and is only starting. I honestly can't believe anyone would argue Kane is this amazing world class top player, because he scores an average of 20 goals a season in the PL.

For me, he's the best 'available' striker in our league, that's about it. Good plan B or C signing. I am open to the idea that he is the club's top target, and will support that. But I just can't agree.
You don’t have to agree ;)
 
A couple years ago you could have said the same about vardy vs mbappe.

Haaland is already the better player, and is only starting. I honestly can't believe anyone would argue Kane is this amazing world class top player, because he scores an average of 20 goals a season in the PL.

For me, he's the best 'available' striker in our league, that's about it. Good plan B or C signing. I am open to the idea that he is the club's top target, and will support that. But I just can't agree.
There’s no ‘guarantee’ Kane does it for us in the same way either.
He’ll be going from being Spurs main/only real goal scorer and playing their system to playing with many goals scorers against packed defences pretty much every week.
It could be hard for either Kane or Haaland, I just don’t get this ‘guarantee’ from Kane.
They’re both great finishers so both will get goals.
I just think all round Haaland is the better option, quicker, stronger, age, marketing and fee (previous points considered)
 
A couple years ago you could have said the same about vardy vs mbappe.

Haaland is already the better player, and is only starting. I honestly can't believe anyone would argue Kane is this amazing world class top player, because he scores an average of 20 goals a season in the PL.

For me, he's the best 'available' striker in our league, that's about it. Good plan B or C signing. I am open to the idea that he is the club's top target, and will support that. But I just can't agree.
I honestly can't understand how anyone would view Kane as a good B or C option
 
Im not sayiing that Haaland entourage would get less of a %.....But lets say for ease Haaland is sold at 100m (would be more probably) and Haalands gang take 20% of that thats still 80m Dortmund get......

If they sell at 65m due to the release clause.....and Haalands gang get 20% Dortmund only get 52m

Now from what I understand if Haaland got sold for his by out clause he would probably get a big signing on fee as well (from which ever club bought him) - but that doesnt impact on Dortmund at all.

Surely Dortmund are better off selling at 150m than they are at the buy out clause (65M?)? - they could command around thaat for him this summer but once the buy out clause kicks in if someone meets that buy out clause then they cannot try and drive the price up from that.

That’s not how the world works.

I’ll have another go.
Just read it through and I‘ll try to explain better this time.

If Haaland is worth €150M (that is to say that a club would be willing to pay €150M + whatever salary Haaland demanded etc.). And Dortmund got an offer at €150M, and wanted to sell him. Then they would need to get Haaland’s consent.
Haaland and his agent and Haaland’s dad would want to get as much out of the deal now as they would get if Haaland stayed until the agreed fee clause kicks in.
Why should they accept anything less?
So no, Dortmund are not better off selling Haaland now or next summer, because Dortmund don’t call the shots - Haaland, Raiola and Haaland’s dad do that.

Haaland, his agent and Haaland’s dad will always get their cut and Haaland will only ever be sold at his maximum market value.
If Dortmund has agreed a release clause of €65M, that kicks in next summer, and Haaland is valued at €150M next summer, then Haaland and his his entourage will pocket the difference between €65M and €150M = £85M.
If Haaland & Co were to agree to be sold this summer, it would only be because Haaland & Co were getting their £85M out of the deal, either as an €85M bite out of a €150M fee paid to Dortmund or by way of Dortmund getting €65M and Haaland & Co getting peripheral payments from the selling club to a combined value of €85M (signing on bonus, agents & advisor fees, increased salary to Haaland across the term of the deal etc.).

I don’t understand how anyone can think that there’s some magic spell that will induce Haaland, Raiola and Haaland’s dad to wave goodbye to even the smallest part of the €85M that will be their’s for the taking in 12 months.

In short; in a scenario where there is an agreement that Haaland can be sold for €65M next summer, and where Haaland has a market value of €150M, the buying club will always have to pay €150M in some way or other.
Haaland & Co will get €85M of that and Dortmund will get €65M of that.
That will remain the case until towards the end of Haaland’s contract when, if he were still worth €150M, the portion of that going to Dortmund would start to reduce and the portion going to Haaland & Co would increase.
At the end of the Haaland / Dortmund contract, when Haaland can walk on a free, if he still has a market value of €150M then that’s what the buying club will pay (in some way or other - signing on bonus, agents fees, ginormous salary etc.).

What the buying club is willing pay (total outlay, purchase fee, agents fee, dad’s bung fee, players salary etc). is the player’s market value.

What the buying club is willing to pay is based on their valuation, their valuation is subject to due diligence and it does not alter due to who gets what part of what the buying club is willing to pay.

In very short;
Haaland has a market value and the market value is what the buying club is willing to pay. Haaland, Raiola & Haaland’s dad will not relinquish one single brass farthing of their dues - they will get every last cent of it.
If he’s valued at €150M (more than one club interested at thereabouts) then that’s what the buying club will always have to pay either up front, or part up front and as various fees and bonuses throughout the contract term etc.
There are no discounts.
There are no magic spells.
Dortmund will only ever get the €65M that’s due to them, regardless of whether he’s sold this summer or next summer.

Does that help?
 
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