It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

[skyblue_brother]

The €150M was an example market value used because the poster I was responding to quoted that figure.
The true market value, as you obviously understand, is whatever a club is willing to pay.
I used an example sum to counteract some nonsense theory that Haaland would be cheaper to buy once his €65M release clause kicks in, because it won’t, because if he’s sold it will be at the highest price the market will bear under any circumstances and regardless of who gets what from the fee.

I used the (example) difference between market value and reduced sale fee to demonstrate that if Dortmund wanted to sell Haaland this summer then he and his entourage would not agree to that sale if, by their calculation, if reduced what would be due to them next summer.

I can understand why you made your remarks but if you’d read further back in the exchange then you would have understood that I wasn’t proposing that any particular thing would happen, merely setting out the conditions that would be required for anything to happen, as ridiculously unlikely as that may be - as was made plain in my example.

It surely depends how much Riola & Alfie commission is and whether they receive commission on the release clause amount, I however can not see how Dortmund would not receive more this year vs next year.

If the sale price was €150m assuming Riola & Alfie recieve 20% of the transfer fee each (this is the top I‘ve seen suggested) they would pocket €30m leaving Dortmund €90m.

Assuming his release clause next year is €75m I can utterly see that Dortmund may consider they’d rather keep hold of him for €15m euro but that assumes commission isn’t included in the release clause! If it is and if Riola and Alfie receive 20% each then (€30m) the dortmund only receive €45m next year (€45m less than this year).

To be honest we don’t the details of commissions payable or release clause so it’s really difficult to judge. It however was reported Dortmund wanted €180m so I think it’s safe to assume this gave them a sizeable return including the sizeable commissions payable to Riola and his father.

I agree with you that next year the club buying Haaland will very likely have to pay additional commissions to his father & agent and maybe a signing on bonus though that really depends who’s after his signature (and has the cash to spend as this will be a cash deal) but even then I’d guess it’d be less than th3 €105m premium you’d have to pay this year as that includes a sizeable chunk/incentive to Dortmund to release him a year early.

Then there’s the added unknown of Haalands wage expectation....

I‘d love if we signed Haaland, but from the little we know of the deal I can easily see how this deal financially may simply not have made sense or be possible if his wage demand were too high, I also wonder if our club got the wrong vibe from Haaland‘s people as I think our club wants players who want to be here not because we pay the most.

I do however think Haaland needs to be careful, as a bad injury, drop in form, emergence of a new superstar could impact his price, also if Mbappe doesn’t sign a new contract won’t he be available on a free and he above Haaland in terms of superstar status as he’s been at the top table for longer, has more tricks to his game and let’s be honest a better looking more marketable kid (Haaland seems a nightmare in front of cameras).

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Anyone else a bit bored?

 

[OB1]

I don't think City want this played out in public. They would get no benefit from it, just Levy upping the price. Makes sense to be as polite and quiet as possible as you deal with Spurs.

The whole Conte thing shows that Levy is desperately needs a win before he sells Kane, and he's struggling. Graham Potter or Rafa Benitez is my best guess as to where he ends up landing.

I would expect with Pep being so desperate for Kane that we won't drag our heels.

Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).

 

[blue oli]

Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).

Call me crazy but potter has the England job written all over him, he’s next in line for the poisoned chalice I think.

 

[OB1]

Call me crazy but potter has the England job written all over him, he’s next in line for the poisoned chalice I think.

I actually think the next England manger might be Pep, if Southgate lasts past the next World Cup!

 

[Protein Junkie]

What do you make of Gabriel Barbosa mate, do you think he could do it in the Premier League?

Thought he was brilliant in Pirates of the Caribbean. Good leader too but may be a bit old.

 

[BAB.DAB]

Always if the club does not have success and if you follow the Chairman's end of season thread on here,, even after 2 trophies and a Champions League final, some fans are still not happy.

So imagine being a spurs fan.
Spurs fans will turn on the club .
Levy will have no option but to sell Kane

 

[blue oli]

I actually think the next England manger might be Pep, if Southgate lasts past the next World Cup!

Wow I’m totally divided over this - as a city fan I would be so angry and upset by that move, on the other hand I would be so angry and upset by that move.

I don’t see a positive in that at all

 

[domalino]

Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).

Graham Potter's Brighton are one of the best sides in the country until they get to the box. The amount of times they get good shooting opportunities is incredible, and yet they're so bad because they just have no finishers. The defence is really good, they concede very few chances. The midfield is really solid, high pressing, really stopped us getting going.

With Kane and Son, his Brighton side would be finishing around 4th/5th like West Ham, but I the problem is if they get rid of Kane...he's going to have the exact same problem he has at Brighton... no striker.

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Exactly, that’s all I meant. I remember Mick Channon!

Christ. So do I, unfortunately. The bucolic bastard.