It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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£60 to sit in the gods for the last home game of the season, and leaking to the press conte will keep kane at Spurs and will be given significant transfer funds to rebuild just before the season tickets renewal window shut.
Levy has mugged them off big time.
60 quid for a ticket in London is the norm, any fan with half a brain cell would not fall for the season ticket sell bullshit.

Peter Swales could have written a book on that subject, every summer we were going to sign the likes of Dean Saunders and co always ended up with some second rate crap.
 
I think this is very harsh on Spurs, I’m no fan of the club or levy in any shape or form - in fact I really do hate them, mainly due to the supporters and their entitled behaviour.

Why is this harsh? Well they were a well run club, on a high budget but not breaking the bank. Levy did well for Spurs in the transfer market and no one can question that.

A great business model and was working really well, even the stadium investment was well organised and thought out, revenue streams were identified and fully signed up for years to come. Would have worked really well and moved the club forward over the next five to ten years.

Unfortunately they were right at the point of heavy debt management when COVID killed them, and completely killed them, not just impacted but completely killed the project to the point of needing government assistance.

It’s like getting the house of your dreams, a new job paying twice the income, moving into your new dream house and finding out your new job isnt paying as much as your old one; you’re mortgaged to the hilt and limited revenue.

So let’s not kid ourselves that things were run poorly at Spurs, they are just, sadly another victim of COVID (and I say sadly as real people will lose jobs and homes etc there).
No kidding, spurs are a decent run club but still like most clubs take the fans for granted.
How much of the £175m loan from the bank of England helps pay Levy's wages of £7m a year.
Spurs fans will turn on him, can't keep mugging them off and paying yourself that amount of money
 
60 quid for a ticket in London is the norm, any fan with half a brain cell would not fall for the season ticket sell bullshit.

Peter Swales could have written a book on that subject, every summer we were going to sign the likes of Dean Saunders and co always ended up with some second rate crap.
Other London clubs didn't charge that much and didn't sit in the gods.
Some fans will believe in anything, it's called blind loyalty.
 
The €150M was an example market value used because the poster I was responding to quoted that figure.
The true market value, as you obviously understand, is whatever a club is willing to pay.
I used an example sum to counteract some nonsense theory that Haaland would be cheaper to buy once his €65M release clause kicks in, because it won’t, because if he’s sold it will be at the highest price the market will bear under any circumstances and regardless of who gets what from the fee.

I used the (example) difference between market value and reduced sale fee to demonstrate that if Dortmund wanted to sell Haaland this summer then he and his entourage would not agree to that sale if, by their calculation, if reduced what would be due to them next summer.

I can understand why you made your remarks but if you’d read further back in the exchange then you would have understood that I wasn’t proposing that any particular thing would happen, merely setting out the conditions that would be required for anything to happen, as ridiculously unlikely as that may be - as was made plain in my example.

He will be cheaper once his release clause comes into play! All else and your previous discussion elsewhere aside, that is ultimately the point i'm responding to. If Dortmund are asking for 150m this year, the maximum they can ask next year id 65m. He is then half the price next season. Nobody pockets the extra 85, nobody would pay it if they wanted to.

His agent and he himself will look for wages. And whatever incentives. Both years. Potentially more next summer if they feel they can and clubs can stretch to it having got him for less, but nowhere near the difference between the asking price this year and release clause next. That is the whole point of the release clause.

edit, I see from your next post you are actually talking about the difference being that same window, i.e between the release clause and what someone else would pay that same window. Which makes more sense. But, nobody would look to pay any more than the release clause, because they wouldnt need to. Then it is just a case of his entouragenseeing where they get a better deal dor themselves, but that is part of the process and ultimately on them to decide to go for more money or where they actually want to.
 
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i agree mate, it would certainly benefit Kane and England if its done before the euros so it puts the speculation to bed and stops the media having click bait articles constantly.

City may not want to do it until after the euros. Imagine if he picked up an injury? Big risk.
 
And then one day the fans turn on board.
Always if the club does not have success and if you follow the Chairman's end of season thread on here,, even after 2 trophies and a Champions League final, some fans are still not happy.
 
The €150M was an example market value used because the poster I was responding to quoted that figure.
The true market value, as you obviously understand, is whatever a club is willing to pay.
I used an example sum to counteract some nonsense theory that Haaland would be cheaper to buy once his €65M release clause kicks in, because it won’t, because if he’s sold it will be at the highest price the market will bear under any circumstances and regardless of who gets what from the fee.

I used the (example) difference between market value and reduced sale fee to demonstrate that if Dortmund wanted to sell Haaland this summer then he and his entourage would not agree to that sale if, by their calculation, if reduced what would be due to them next summer.

I can understand why you made your remarks but if you’d read further back in the exchange then you would have understood that I wasn’t proposing that any particular thing would happen, merely setting out the conditions that would be required for anything to happen, as ridiculously unlikely as that may be - as was made plain in my example.

It surely depends how much Riola & Alfie commission is and whether they receive commission on the release clause amount, I however can not see how Dortmund would not receive more this year vs next year.

If the sale price was €150m assuming Riola & Alfie recieve 20% of the transfer fee each (this is the top I‘ve seen suggested) they would pocket €30m leaving Dortmund €90m.

Assuming his release clause next year is €75m I can utterly see that Dortmund may consider they’d rather keep hold of him for €15m euro but that assumes commission isn’t included in the release clause! If it is and if Riola and Alfie receive 20% each then (€30m) the dortmund only receive €45m next year (€45m less than this year).

To be honest we don’t the details of commissions payable or release clause so it’s really difficult to judge. It however was reported Dortmund wanted €180m so I think it’s safe to assume this gave them a sizeable return including the sizeable commissions payable to Riola and his father.

I agree with you that next year the club buying Haaland will very likely have to pay additional commissions to his father & agent and maybe a signing on bonus though that really depends who’s after his signature (and has the cash to spend as this will be a cash deal) but even then I’d guess it’d be less than th3 €105m premium you’d have to pay this year as that includes a sizeable chunk/incentive to Dortmund to release him a year early.

Then there’s the added unknown of Haalands wage expectation....

I‘d love if we signed Haaland, but from the little we know of the deal I can easily see how this deal financially may simply not have made sense or be possible if his wage demand were too high, I also wonder if our club got the wrong vibe from Haaland‘s people as I think our club wants players who want to be here not because we pay the most.

I do however think Haaland needs to be careful, as a bad injury, drop in form, emergence of a new superstar could impact his price, also if Mbappe doesn’t sign a new contract won’t he be available on a free and he above Haaland in terms of superstar status as he’s been at the top table for longer, has more tricks to his game and let’s be honest a better looking more marketable kid (Haaland seems a nightmare in front of cameras).
 
I don't think City want this played out in public. They would get no benefit from it, just Levy upping the price. Makes sense to be as polite and quiet as possible as you deal with Spurs.

The whole Conte thing shows that Levy is desperately needs a win before he sells Kane, and he's struggling. Graham Potter or Rafa Benitez is my best guess as to where he ends up landing.

I would expect with Pep being so desperate for Kane that we won't drag our heels.

Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).
 
Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).

Call me crazy but potter has the England job written all over him, he’s next in line for the poisoned chalice I think.
 
Always if the club does not have success and if you follow the Chairman's end of season thread on here,, even after 2 trophies and a Champions League final, some fans are still not happy.
So imagine being a spurs fan.
Spurs fans will turn on the club .
Levy will have no option but to sell Kane
 
Side issue but I've been saying for a few weeks (to Spurs fans: I know a few) that Potter would be a good choice for them. He annoyed me when Brighton had the temerity to beat us but I think he has the potential to do well at a "big" club.

I don't pay huge amounts of attention to other clubs but it seems like Spurs are in a tough spot at the moment and Levy may not have that much leverage when it comes to Kane (aside from keeping him to his contract against his will).

Graham Potter's Brighton are one of the best sides in the country until they get to the box. The amount of times they get good shooting opportunities is incredible, and yet they're so bad because they just have no finishers. The defence is really good, they concede very few chances. The midfield is really solid, high pressing, really stopped us getting going.

With Kane and Son, his Brighton side would be finishing around 4th/5th like West Ham, but I the problem is if they get rid of Kane...he's going to have the exact same problem he has at Brighton... no striker.
 
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