It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

[BamberBridgeBlue]

amazing how people look back so fondly at some players and so badly at other players

not fussed about Laporte, not the same player than he was pre-injury and seems to lack bottle or fight when faced with a challenge

Losing Bernardo from a couple of seasons ago (pre Mendy incident) hurts as he was outstanding but he has simply not been the same player since, nowhere near as effective for whatever reason (maybe the Manchester weather has him so down as the rumours suggest)

Jesus is an enigma, sometimes he looks brilliant (Madrid in CL) and sometimes you didn't ever know he was on the pitch. Can't usually fault his effort level but just has no impact on some games, I don't think we use him to the best but he doesn't always show enough to be given more chances

To say that the window would be bad if these 3 leave and Kane and Grealish coming in is laughable, two top quality players who give us options - all those crosses when we are chasing games with our 5' 7" strikers in the box, if we get Kane we get an attacker who can actually head the ball

I've never been the biggest Grealish fan, think he falls over too much but he has some serious skills and would help unlock the packed 10 behind the ball we face so often

Sorry mate. You can’t post stuff like this. Read back through the comments and you’ll get an idea of what you need to post. As an example, on Jack Grealish there are only binary positions available.

Grealish is the worst human being on the planet, stealing a living as a footballer. Falls over too much but worst of all has a distinctive haircut resulting in blind fanboys following him around.

Grealish is the new messiah. He is a future Balon D’or winner who you have a man crush on.

This is social media. Any middle ground post will be forced into a polarised opinion. There’s no room for balance on here pal.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Not sure why people obsess about transfer fees.
In audio there is the law of diminishing returns. Beyond a certain point you have to spend 10x more to get a 2x improvement. A cable may cost similar to the amp or speakers but with a cheaper one the system doesn't fulfill its potential.
If Grealish is that missing link then price is not relevant.
The argument should therefore be about the skill set and match up. Not the price. He is either right for us (or could be)or not...

It'd be like kicking off in Tescos because the guy in front of you at the checkout has spent £200 on his weekly shop.

 

[akrh215]

The English media and general fan.

The stats even, the most fouled player, what the hell does it mean?

Great players don't spend half a game on their arses , the best players avoid challenges, through skill and agility.

Come on, it's just like Neymar, they just can't take the ball away from him properly.

 

[Keeper!]

Come on, it's just like Neymar, they just can't take the ball away from him properly.

LOL sarcasm at it's finest!!

 

[Keeper!]

I should have expanded really but was on the way out, so apologies.

It was more about the “Great players don't spend half a game on their arses, the best players avoid challenges, through skill and agility.” comment that I don’t agree with, in fact I’d go as far as to say it’s complete bollocks. That was where my reference about having played the game came into play, as you would know it’s practically impossible to constantly ride challenges, Messi is without a doubt the best there is at it, but he’s not a great player, he’s the GOAT, and shouldn’t have comparisons drawn against him, he is though regularly clobbered too.

Totally agree but would you also agree that Messi does not go to ground for no reason?

One of the greatest players this club has ever seen, David Silva, rode challenges and indeed took a hit in the quest of making the right pass at the right time.

Too often I have seen Grealish go down when he was looking for a cheap foul, I don't like that in his game, and hopefully Pep will get it out of him and quickly.

 

[Keeper!]

He is a world class #10 and has proved it with the sheer amount of assists he's chalked up. Look at his assists for Son etc this season. His weight of pass and vision is brilliant.

He has a KDB esq range of passing.

KDB and Harry Kane should not be mentioned in the same breath in terms of passing ability.

 

[MarsLlama]

If Grealish is that missing link then price is not relevant.

I just don't see how he is. On the wings we already have Foden, Sterling, Torres and Mahrez. Then there's De Bruyne, Bernardo and Gundogan creating centrally. If they're not enough, to me it seems like a system problem rather than a personnel problem. If they're not enough I don't see why Grealish would change much.

On paper we already have more than enough creativity, and what we're really lacking that other top teams have is a deadly goalscorer. By my count there are currently nearly 20 clubs with a better primary goalscorer than we have, and that needs to change. The striker is the missing link.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Totally agree but would you also agree that Messi does not go to ground for no reason?

One of the greatest players this club has ever seen, David Silva, rode challenges and indeed took a hit in the quest of making the right pass at the right time.

Too often I have seen Grealish go down when he was looking for a cheap foul, I don't like that in his game, and hopefully Pep will get it out of him and quickly.

Fair comment, and as I’ve seen in your other posts I understand everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just really rate Grealish and think/hope that people like yourself will be pleasantly surprised, and hopefully Pep will get him to stay on his feet a bit more.

 

[blueparrot]

I just don't see how he is. On the wings we already have Foden, Sterling, Torres and Mahrez. Then there's De Bruyne, Bernardo and Gundogan creating centrally. If they're not enough, to me it seems like a system problem rather than a personnel problem. If they're not enough I don't see why Grealish would change much.

On paper we already have more than enough creativity, and what we're really lacking that other top teams have is a deadly goalscorer. By my count there are currently nearly 20 clubs with a better primary goalscorer than we have, and that needs to change. The striker is the missing link.

But if rumours are correct, Bernardo is leaving and Grealish is his replacement. Don't think anyone is suggesting Grealish without somebody going.

 

[Keeper!]

It'd be like kicking off in Tescos because the guy in front of you at the checkout has spent £200 on his weekly shop.

What a load of crap.

WE pay the fee, if you go to the game, pay to watch it on TV, buy the latest Puma crap or buy anything MCFC, even fill up your car with GAS, we contribute.

As fans of this club we don't want to see this club pay over the market value for players because of who we are and at the same time sell valuable assets at less than the market price again because of who we are and we can afford to lose the cash.

Barca, Real and the Rags have shown recently how spending irresponsibly can result in losing your place at the top of the food chain.

If we were to spend 200m on two players this summer and they did not produce, and next summer we would have to buy again to replace them, it would have a serious knock on effect, FFP is still relevant.

 

[blue oli]

Any idea on why you think we will conduct our business like this?

Respect for international competitions and players and also from a marketing point of view it makes sense.

 

[i8rags]

Fair comment, and as I’ve seen in your other posts I understand everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just really rate Grealish and think/hope that people like yourself will be pleasantly surprised, and hopefully Pep will get him to stay on his feet a bit more.

Or pep might fancy the extra 50 free kicks a season around the box, kdb taking them direct or crossing to our ever increasing height (Kane included).

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

Respect for international competitions and players and also from a marketing point of view it makes sense.

Exactly right. You wouldn’t find a professional outfit like Manchester United signing an England international midway through a tournament. There’d be a massive media backlash.


Btw been busy at work this week. How vociferous was that backlash? Ah…. Thought so. Wasn’t a peep out of the media was there. Imagine if we announced Grealish tomorrow. We’d get slaughtered. Assuming we win of course.

 

[MarsLlama]

But if rumours are correct, Bernardo is leaving and Grealish is his replacement. Don't think anyone is suggesting Grealish without somebody going.

Trouble with that is that I can't see Pep playing Grealish in midfield, much the same as how he randomly decided that Foden couldn't play midfield anymore. Leaving us with five wingers for two slots. If Mahrez was going I'd completely understand Grealish coming in, but Bernardo for Grealish leaves us a bit bloated on the wings, IMO.

I'd also say that I don't think anyone will pay our asking price for Bernardo. £60m+ for a winger who doesn't score or assist, in the current financial climate, is surely beyond the reach of Atletico's budget.

 

[Phil1]

Or pep might fancy the extra 50 free kicks a season around the box, kdb taking them direct or crossing to our ever increasing height (Kane included).

Something tells me Pep isn't going to abandon a football philosophy that has redefined the game and made him the most successful manager of the last decade to play for fucking free kicks and hope for the best.

 

[nmc]

Exactly right. You wouldn’t find a professional outfit like Manchester United signing an England international midway through a tournament. There’d be a massive media backlash.


Btw been busy at work this week. How vociferous was that backlash? Ah…. Thought so. Wasn’t a peep out of the media was there. Imagine if we announced Grealish tomorrow. We’d get slaughtered. Assuming we win of course.

Totally correct - not a peep but then again - established England International !!! who's struggling to make the bench - watch that change - he will be the first name on the team sheet come the autumn....

 

[nmc]

Something tells me Pep isn't going to abandon a football philosophy that has redefined the game and made him the most successful manager of the last decade to play for fucking free kicks and hope for the best.

Forget the Tika taka - hoof it long to 'Arry !

 

[TheThirdDeano]

If we're talking about stats at certian ages I want Kane.

At 28, Kane was the top scorer and top assister in the league
Haaland isn't even 28 yet so has no stats to compare.

Easy victory for kane

 

[talkativesprout]

The English media and general fan.

The stats even, the most fouled player, what the hell does it mean?

Great players don't spend half a game on their arses , the best players avoid challenges, through skill and agility.

Didier Drogba almost single handedly won Chelsea a champions league by spending the last 20 mins of the game falling over.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Or pep might fancy the extra 50 free kicks a season around the box, kdb taking them direct or crossing to our ever increasing height (Kane included).

25 free kicks 25 yellow cards, this is City remember :)